18thC Austro-Hungarian hussar sabre

Victrix · 12th January 2018, 01:35 PM

Hi Roland,

I think you are most likely correct. The Austro-Hungarian sabres have quite different designed pommels compared to the French swords, but I checked with Wagner’s Cut & Thrust Weapons and some sabres show tang rivets and some don’t.

The sabre on the left is estimated to be from around 1740 and the one on the right from around 1790. Below I post a photo of a Hungarian sabre from around 1650 which shows a similar teardrop shaped cap on the pommel with a tang rivet. So I think you are most likely correct.

corrado26 · 12th January 2018, 02:41 PM

Until a few weeks ago I had this sabre in my collection, but sold it. He had nearly the same riveting as on the sabre in question. Could you please post some fotos pf the rings of the sheath and how they are fixed?
corrado26

Victrix · 12th January 2018, 03:45 PM

That’s a very beautiful sabre Corrado. Wagner calls it a ”Fringia” sabre in his book. It looks like it doesn’t show the tang rivet which is hidden behind the teardrop shaped cap? I assume the scabbard is covered in black leather. It looks almost blue in the photos.

Please see scabbard ring photos below as requested.I will clean the sword to remove dirt and oxidation to prevent damage. I will spray the blade with Ballistol and leave on overnight in the hope of removing faint signs of rust speckles.

corrado26 · 13th January 2018, 09:34 AM

You should pay attention to traces of war and use at the inside of the fittings of the rings., especially at the inside of the fiittings, where the ring touches the fitting. After more than 200 years and a long military carreer such traces MUST to be found!
corrado26

Victrix · 13th January 2018, 11:34 AM

Absolutely Corrado. Plenty wear and tear and battle scars...

Victrix · 14th January 2018, 05:14 PM

Here is another example of an 18thC Austro-Hungarian hussar sabre which shows a visible tang rivet on the pommel. It seems some do, and some don’t. The picture is from Friedrich Jäger’s Ungarischer Säbel und Husaren-Pallasch.

12th January 2018, 01:35 PM	#1
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	Hi Roland, I think you are most likely correct. The Austro-Hungarian sabres have quite different designed pommels compared to the French swords, but I checked with Wagner’s Cut & Thrust Weapons and some sabres show tang rivets and some don’t. The sabre on the left is estimated to be from around 1740 and the one on the right from around 1790. Below I post a photo of a Hungarian sabre from around 1650 which shows a similar teardrop shaped cap on the pommel with a tang rivet. So I think you are most likely correct. Attached Images

12th January 2018, 02:41 PM	#2
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	Until a few weeks ago I had this sabre in my collection, but sold it. He had nearly the same riveting as on the sabre in question. Could you please post some fotos pf the rings of the sheath and how they are fixed? corrado26 Attached Images

12th January 2018, 03:45 PM	#3
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	That’s a very beautiful sabre Corrado. Wagner calls it a ”Fringia” sabre in his book. It looks like it doesn’t show the tang rivet which is hidden behind the teardrop shaped cap? I assume the scabbard is covered in black leather. It looks almost blue in the photos. Please see scabbard ring photos below as requested.I will clean the sword to remove dirt and oxidation to prevent damage. I will spray the blade with Ballistol and leave on overnight in the hope of removing faint signs of rust speckles. Attached Images

13th January 2018, 11:34 AM	#5
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	Absolutely Corrado. Plenty wear and tear and battle scars... Attached Images

14th January 2018, 05:14 PM	#6
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	Here is another example of an 18thC Austro-Hungarian hussar sabre which shows a visible tang rivet on the pommel. It seems some do, and some don’t. The picture is from Friedrich Jäger’s Ungarischer Säbel und Husaren-Pallasch. Attached Images

13th January 2018, 09:34 AM	#4
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	You should pay attention to traces of war and use at the inside of the fittings of the rings., especially at the inside of the fiittings, where the ring touches the fitting. After more than 200 years and a long military carreer such traces MUST to be found! corrado26