Finally...Central Luzon origin

Ian · 9th January 2018, 10:54 PM

Here are two more Apalit knives. The first one is a heavy knife, with a blade thickness of 3/8 inch just in front of the hilt. The leather sheath that comes with it appears to be original and old. The curiously shaped heavy blade is uncommon, and I have been told that it was likely a butcher's knife. "APALIT" is stamped on the blade.

The second one is a dainty little knife with carved horn hilt and sheath. The carving has been filled with lime to enhance the contrast with the black horn of the hilt. On the back is the name of the maker (N CASTRO) and the town (APALIT, PAMP). The horn sheath has a toe, as described by Robert. Judging from the writing on this one, which is in the Art Nouveau/Art Deco style, I would guess this one dates from 1920-1930.

Note: In post #3 of this thread, Robert shows a knife with fist hilt made by Castro and Sons. It would seem my knife and his are related.

Ian.

Rafngard · 10th January 2018, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian

The second one is a dainty little knife with carved horn hilt and sheath. The carving has been filled with lime to enhance the contrast with the black horn of the hilt. On the back is the name of the maker (N CASTRO) and the town (APALIT, PAMP). The horn sheath has a toe, as described by Robert. Judging from the writing on this one, which is in the Art Nouveau/Art Deco style, I would guess this one dates from 1920-1930.

I bid on this one, but sadly, I forgot to bid higher.
Do you think it likely that the rope tied to the hilt is an anting-anting?

While I did not win on this knife, I did manage to secure this very similar, but not Apalit marked knife. The blade has definitely seen a lot of use, but I was more after the carved horn on this one anyway, so I'm ok with that. If there's interest, I'll take some pics and post them sometime in the near future.

Have fun,
Leif

Ian · 10th January 2018, 03:49 PM

Hi Leif,

Yes, that one does look very similar and the sheath also appears to be made from carved horn. The (unusual for Philippines) suspension system with two small rings at the mouth of the scabbard suggests to me that yours and mine came from the same source. The clenched fist motif adds to the similarity. Good find!

I don't know the significance of the frayed cord on the hilt of mine. Perhaps it is a remnant of an old suspension system that involved the two rings on the back of the sheath. The cord is quite long when unraveled (about 20 inches).

Ian.

Rick · 10th January 2018, 06:39 PM

Leif,
That pommel form is in itself an Anting-Anting of sorts.

Rafngard · 15th February 2018, 11:29 PM

Hello all,

I just picked up another example of this style, with a clenched fist, and a carved horn scabbard. This time with a some what fanciful Bartolome style blade. Given the aluminum ferrule, I think this is perhaps 1940s, perhaps latter? In addition to the "Philippines" carved on the scabbard, there's also a "Tagumay" (perhaps related to "Tagumpay," or "Victory" as is found on many, many, post WWII Filipino weapons) carved on the handle.

I need to spend some time cleaning up the blade, and will post better pics after doing so.

Enjoy,
Leif

Ian · 19th February 2018, 04:07 PM

Leif:

I think there is an alternative explanation for Tagumpay. It could be the name of a town. There are many towns and areas named Tagumpay in the Philippines, but the most relevant may be a town in the province of Nueva Ecija which is also in Central Luzon and to the northeast of Pampanga.

The blade shape of your knife is what I would call a "double clip," a distinctive shape found in central and northern Luzon, and one that is seen quite commonly on Ilokano knives. The horn (?) sheath has a trilobed toe that is similar to many Ilokano leather sheaths of the early and mid-20th C.

So I think you have a Central Luzon knife of Ilokano style that could be first half or mid-20th C. The key will be the guard. If that is aluminum, then I think it is WWII vintage or a little later.

Ian

Battara · 19th February 2018, 11:54 PM

I agree with Ian. I would also note that this was made for returning GIs at that time. The thickness of the hilt and style of carving also shows a later vintage.

9th January 2018, 10:54 PM	#1
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,361	And another two--completely different Here are two more Apalit knives. The first one is a heavy knife, with a blade thickness of 3/8 inch just in front of the hilt. The leather sheath that comes with it appears to be original and old. The curiously shaped heavy blade is uncommon, and I have been told that it was likely a butcher's knife. "APALIT" is stamped on the blade. The second one is a dainty little knife with carved horn hilt and sheath. The carving has been filled with lime to enhance the contrast with the black horn of the hilt. On the back is the name of the maker (N CASTRO) and the town (APALIT, PAMP). The horn sheath has a toe, as described by Robert. Judging from the writing on this one, which is in the Art Nouveau/Art Deco style, I would guess this one dates from 1920-1930. Note: In post #3 of this thread, Robert shows a knife with fist hilt made by Castro and Sons. It would seem my knife and his are related. Ian. Attached Images Last edited by Ian; 15th January 2018 at 04:22 PM.

15th February 2018, 11:29 PM	#5
Rafngard Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Minneapolis,MN Posts: 348	Hello all, I just picked up another example of this style, with a clenched fist, and a carved horn scabbard. This time with a some what fanciful Bartolome style blade. Given the aluminum ferrule, I think this is perhaps 1940s, perhaps latter? In addition to the "Philippines" carved on the scabbard, there's also a "Tagumay" (perhaps related to "Tagumpay," or "Victory" as is found on many, many, post WWII Filipino weapons) carved on the handle. I need to spend some time cleaning up the blade, and will post better pics after doing so. Enjoy, Leif Attached Images

10th January 2018, 03:49 PM	#3
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,361	Hi Leif, Yes, that one does look very similar and the sheath also appears to be made from carved horn. The (unusual for Philippines) suspension system with two small rings at the mouth of the scabbard suggests to me that yours and mine came from the same source. The clenched fist motif adds to the similarity. Good find! I don't know the significance of the frayed cord on the hilt of mine. Perhaps it is a remnant of an old suspension system that involved the two rings on the back of the sheath. The cord is quite long when unraveled (about 20 inches). Ian.

10th January 2018, 06:39 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Leif, That pommel form is in itself an Anting-Anting of sorts.

19th February 2018, 04:07 PM	#6
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,361	Leif: I think there is an alternative explanation for Tagumpay. It could be the name of a town. There are many towns and areas named Tagumpay in the Philippines, but the most relevant may be a town in the province of Nueva Ecija which is also in Central Luzon and to the northeast of Pampanga. The blade shape of your knife is what I would call a "double clip," a distinctive shape found in central and northern Luzon, and one that is seen quite commonly on Ilokano knives. The horn (?) sheath has a trilobed toe that is similar to many Ilokano leather sheaths of the early and mid-20th C. So I think you have a Central Luzon knife of Ilokano style that could be first half or mid-20th C. The key will be the guard. If that is aluminum, then I think it is WWII vintage or a little later. Ian

19th February 2018, 11:54 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,270	I agree with Ian. I would also note that this was made for returning GIs at that time. The thickness of the hilt and style of carving also shows a later vintage.