Sardinian Miquelet for comment and information

Fernando K · 8th January 2018, 11:48 AM

Hello

The lock is not of Italian production, but it is a lock of miquelete, imported, or at least, produced having like model the classic lock of miquelete, produced in Catalonia. Its characteristic, in addition, the frizzen spring, which is curved instead of being folded, the end of the plate and the characteristic shape of the hammer, in the form of a

affectionately. Fernando K

Fernando K · 8th January 2018, 08:46 PM

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Philip · 12th January 2018, 06:12 AM

Just discovered this illustration in Alarico Gattia's Fucili e Pistole (Milan, Rizzoli Editore, 1968, p 40. Three versions of the lock commonly known to collectors as "miquelet" are shown. On the left is the traditional Spanish version in pretty much its pristine 17th cent. stylistic format, which was widely copied in Italy (primarily the southern half, but made for export in Brescia as well. Major points for comparison, germane to this thread, are the wasp-waisted lock plate, mainspring leaves of markedly unequal length, the reversed frizzen-spring largely concealed behind the priming-pan shield, and the obtuse angle of the cock jaws to the columnar stem.

On the far right is the typical Sardegnan version of the above -- mechanically identical but stylistically distinct in terms of the four design elements identified above.

In the center is the central Italian version of the miquelet, very popular in the regions around Rome and Naples, commonly known as the Roman lock (acciarino alla romana). The most notable points of departure from both of the above is that the mainspring exerts force in the opposite direction (downward, and on the toe rather than the heel of the foot of the cock), and a sear system (the levers and springs that link the action of the trigger to the release of the cock during firing) that is markedly different, being derived from that of the typical wheellock.

kahnjar1 · 12th January 2018, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Philip

Just discovered this illustration in Alarico Gattia's Fucili e Pistole (Milan, Rizzoli Editore, 1968, p 40. Three versions of the lock commonly known to collectors as "miquelet" are shown. On the left is the traditional Spanish version in pretty much its pristine 17th cent. stylistic format, which was widely copied in Italy (primarily the southern half, but made for export in Brescia as well. Major points for comparison, germane to this thread, are the wasp-waisted lock plate, mainspring leaves of markedly unequal length, the reversed frizzen-spring largely concealed behind the priming-pan shield, and the obtuse angle of the cock jaws to the columnar stem.

On the far right is the typical Sardegnan version of the above -- mechanically identical but stylistically distinct in terms of the four design elements identified above.

In the center is the central Italian version of the miquelet, very popular in the regions around Rome and Naples, commonly known as the Roman lock (acciarino alla romana). The most notable points of departure from both of the above is that the mainspring exerts force in the opposite direction (downward, and on the toe rather than the heel of the foot of the cock), and a sear system (the levers and springs that link the action of the trigger to the release of the cock during firing) that is markedly different, being derived from that of the typical wheellock.

Very interesting drawings....thank you. It would appear that none of these is the style on the subject gun....
Stu

kahnjar1 · 17th January 2018, 06:03 AM

Can anyone tell me what style of flask would be used with these Sardinian guns? A pic would be useful if you have one.
Stu

corrado26 · 17th January 2018, 04:19 PM

Here a foto of a Sardinian powder flask out of a catalogue of a former Thomas Del Mar auction.
corrado26

corrado26 · 17th January 2018, 04:22 PM

The description was as follows:

A VERY RARE IRON POWDER-FLASK, PROBABLY SARDINIAN 17TH/18TH CENTURY
of tapering horn-shaped form, chiselled around the base with a panel of foliage carrying a long hunting gun, horns, boar spears, and oak fruit and foliage, a further panel at the top including a pair of differing game birds put up by a hound, and along the seam with laurel foliage (areas of pitting, very small holes at one end )
17.8cm; 7in

8th January 2018, 11:48 AM	#1
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Hello The lock is not of Italian production, but it is a lock of miquelete, imported, or at least, produced having like model the classic lock of miquelete, produced in Catalonia. Its characteristic, in addition, the frizzen spring, which is curved instead of being folded, the end of the plate and the characteristic shape of the hammer, in the form of a affectionately. Fernando K Attached Images

12th January 2018, 06:12 AM	#3
Philip Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,036	side-by-side comparison Just discovered this illustration in Alarico Gattia's Fucili e Pistole (Milan, Rizzoli Editore, 1968, p 40. Three versions of the lock commonly known to collectors as "miquelet" are shown. On the left is the traditional Spanish version in pretty much its pristine 17th cent. stylistic format, which was widely copied in Italy (primarily the southern half, but made for export in Brescia as well. Major points for comparison, germane to this thread, are the wasp-waisted lock plate, mainspring leaves of markedly unequal length, the reversed frizzen-spring largely concealed behind the priming-pan shield, and the obtuse angle of the cock jaws to the columnar stem. On the far right is the typical Sardegnan version of the above -- mechanically identical but stylistically distinct in terms of the four design elements identified above. In the center is the central Italian version of the miquelet, very popular in the regions around Rome and Naples, commonly known as the Roman lock (acciarino alla romana). The most notable points of departure from both of the above is that the mainspring exerts force in the opposite direction (downward, and on the toe rather than the heel of the foot of the cock), and a sear system (the levers and springs that link the action of the trigger to the release of the cock during firing) that is markedly different, being derived from that of the typical wheellock. Attached Images Last edited by Philip; 12th January 2018 at 06:23 AM. Reason: add image

17th January 2018, 04:19 PM	#6
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	Here a foto of a Sardinian powder flask out of a catalogue of a former Thomas Del Mar auction. corrado26 Attached Images

8th January 2018, 08:46 PM	#2
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17th January 2018, 06:03 AM	#5
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,786	Can anyone tell me what style of flask would be used with these Sardinian guns? A pic would be useful if you have one. Stu

17th January 2018, 04:22 PM	#7
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	The description was as follows: A VERY RARE IRON POWDER-FLASK, PROBABLY SARDINIAN 17TH/18TH CENTURY of tapering horn-shaped form, chiselled around the base with a panel of foliage carrying a long hunting gun, horns, boar spears, and oak fruit and foliage, a further panel at the top including a pair of differing game birds put up by a hound, and along the seam with laurel foliage (areas of pitting, very small holes at one end ) 17.8cm; 7in