Worlds Ugliest War Club

drac2k · 12th December 2017, 04:20 PM

After some more research,I think Kronckew might be on the right track.I wasn't able to pinpoint a Micmac example like mine.I also found a Tasmania Huon war club that was somewhat similar.

David · 12th December 2017, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by drac2k

After some more research,I think Kronckew might be on the right track.I wasn't able to pinpoint a Micmac example like mine.I also found a Tasmania Huon war club that was somewhat similar.

Well, first of all, the accepted spelling for that tribe is Mi'kmaq, not Micmac. That might help in your searches. However, the root clubs that Roland is talking about seem to have belonged more to the Penobscot tribe who existed in northeastern U.S. (Maine) and parts of eastern Canada. The examples i have seen of these clubs all seem to have tribal decorations on them though, so i wouldn't think that Drak's club is one of them.

drac2k · 12th December 2017, 08:43 PM

Well, it was around noon, so maybe I was thinking "Big Mac,"..................seriously when I looked up Micmac, it appeared to be an acceptable entry as was Mi'kmaq; maybe Micmac is slang.

David · 13th December 2017, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by drac2k

Well, it was around noon, so maybe I was thinking "Big Mac,"..................seriously when I looked up Micmac, it appeared to be an acceptable entry as was Mi'kmaq; maybe Micmac is slang.

Not slang Drak, simple outdated terminology. Yes you will find hits there, but that spelling hasn't been officially used in some time. Still, even when searching under "Micmac", when you open those links they usually identify the club as Penobscot.
I did find this example that doesn't seem to have any decorative carving like yours, but couldn't find much info on it beyond the image.

drac2k · 13th December 2017, 12:02 PM

I can not enlarge the picture, but the rootball does seem very similar to mine.

Kmaddock · 13th December 2017, 12:43 PM

Hi
Just an observation.
In your last picture there seems to be a hole in the centre with spiral rings around the hole, like you get when wood is being turned on a lathe.
Are these spirals growth rings of the plant or made by a cutting implement
Did native Americans use lathes?
Regards
Ken

kronckew · 13th December 2017, 01:11 PM

Does look like both ends have the centring hole and some concentric lathe-like centre marks. Wood lathes are really quite ancient, but not sure native Americans used them. (or Fijians

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Roland_M · 13th December 2017, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by drac2k

Well, it was around noon, so maybe I was thinking "Big Mac,"..................seriously when I looked up Micmac, it appeared to be an acceptable entry as was Mi'kmaq; maybe Micmac is slang.

Here are my results: https://www.google.de/search?q=Micma...w=1670&bih=902

As a former lathe machinist I can clearly say, this club was not made with a lathe.

The denotation "Micmac" is from german Wikipedia (The Mi’kmaq, also Míkmaq, Micmac or Mic-Mac (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi%E2%80%99kmaq)).

Roland

David · 13th December 2017, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Roland_M

Here are my results: https://www.google.de/search?q=Micma...w=1670&bih=902

As a former lathe machinist I can clearly say, this club was not made with a lathe.

The denotation "Micmac" is from german Wikipedia (The Mi’kmaq, also Míkmaq, Micmac or Mic-Mac (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi%E2%80%99kmaq)).

Roland

Roland, there is no argument that the name "Micmac" was indeed used at one time and will indeed generate hits on google. My point is that it is no longer considered an appropriate spelling and is not how the people themselves spell their name. I don't know if your German Wikipedia entry talks about this, but the following is from the English language version:
Until the 1980s, "Micmac" remained the most common spelling in English. Although still used, for example in Ethnologue, this spelling has fallen out of favour in recent years. Most scholarly publications now use the spelling Mi'kmaq, as preferred by the people. The media has adopted this spelling practice, acknowledging that the Mi'kmaq consider the spelling Micmac as "colonially tainted". The Mi'kmaq prefer to use one of the three current Mi'kmaq orthographies when writing the language.
I prefer and encourage the use of the name that is preferred by the people themselves rather than one they consider to be "colonially tainted".

13th December 2017, 12:43 PM	#6
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Hi Just an observation. In your last picture there seems to be a hole in the centre with spiral rings around the hole, like you get when wood is being turned on a lathe. Are these spirals growth rings of the plant or made by a cutting implement Did native Americans use lathes? Regards Ken Last edited by Kmaddock; 13th December 2017 at 01:05 PM.

12th December 2017, 04:20 PM	#1
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,269	After some more research,I think Kronckew might be on the right track.I wasn't able to pinpoint a Micmac example like mine.I also found a Tasmania Huon war club that was somewhat similar.

12th December 2017, 08:43 PM	#3
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,269	Well, it was around noon, so maybe I was thinking "Big Mac,"..................seriously when I looked up Micmac, it appeared to be an acceptable entry as was Mi'kmaq; maybe Micmac is slang.

13th December 2017, 12:02 PM	#5
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,269	I can not enlarge the picture, but the rootball does seem very similar to mine.

13th December 2017, 01:11 PM	#7
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,238	Does look like both ends have the centring hole and some concentric lathe-like centre marks. Wood lathes are really quite ancient, but not sure native Americans used them. (or Fijians )