THE ROYAL NAVY CUTLASS.

Madnumforce · 1st December 2017, 01:04 PM

The etymology given for the word "cutlass" is partly wrong. Cutlass, in it's current form, comes directly from French "coutelasse"/"coutelace" (thus the double S in English, if it had come from the more modern word "coutelas" it wouldn't carry the "S" sound), already attested in French in the 14th century. I find reference to variants such as "coutelesse", "courtelasse" (probably a sort of oral shift towards "courte", short, because it is a short sword/saber, and this is probably where the Dutch "kortelas" comes from in some way). It comes directly from the French "coutel", which itself comes from Latin cultellus. It evolved separately from the Latin root, it wasn't taken from Italian. By the way, the dialects of southern France and northern Italy were really a smooth transition from typical Italian to northern French (which later became the French language due to the fact it was the French spoken by the king and its civil officers, and the Parliament of Paris), forming a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialect_continuum]dialect continuum[/URL]. But in every text there is, you'll find "coutelasse" or "coutelas" to mean a short sword or saber, exactly as in English, or maybe a sort of machete in 19th and 20th c. texts when talking about a colonial context.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 1st December 2017, 10:15 PM

Salaams Madnumforce, I think you are partly right but viewing the Dutch term it may seem to some that the word evolved from that direction..Always a very interesting mixture of potential tectonic plate movements in a dialectic sense l suppose? Anyway not with standing the linguistics l think we have a balance here of the precursor to the Naval term Cutlass and a reasonably instep delivery of the weapons distribution style and uses as well as a little of the training methods..into the late 19thC. Great to have your input on the actual word.

1st December 2017, 01:04 PM	#1
Madnumforce Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 28	The etymology given for the word "cutlass" is partly wrong. Cutlass, in it's current form, comes directly from French "coutelasse"/"coutelace" (thus the double S in English, if it had come from the more modern word "coutelas" it wouldn't carry the "S" sound), already attested in French in the 14th century. I find reference to variants such as "coutelesse", "courtelasse" (probably a sort of oral shift towards "courte", short, because it is a short sword/saber, and this is probably where the Dutch "kortelas" comes from in some way). It comes directly from the French "coutel", which itself comes from Latin cultellus. It evolved separately from the Latin root, it wasn't taken from Italian. By the way, the dialects of southern France and northern Italy were really a smooth transition from typical Italian to northern French (which later became the French language due to the fact it was the French spoken by the king and its civil officers, and the Parliament of Paris), forming a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialect_continuum]dialect continuum[/URL]. But in every text there is, you'll find "coutelasse" or "coutelas" to mean a short sword or saber, exactly as in English, or maybe a sort of machete in 19th and 20th c. texts when talking about a colonial context.

1st December 2017, 10:15 PM	#2
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Salaams Madnumforce, I think you are partly right but viewing the Dutch term it may seem to some that the word evolved from that direction..Always a very interesting mixture of potential tectonic plate movements in a dialectic sense l suppose? Anyway not with standing the linguistics l think we have a balance here of the precursor to the Naval term Cutlass and a reasonably instep delivery of the weapons distribution style and uses as well as a little of the training methods..into the late 19thC. Great to have your input on the actual word.