A Massive and All Business Old Manding Sword

[Jim McDougall]

Iain, I'm glad to see you on this, your perspective on these Saharan swords is always spot on. I see what you mean on the scabbard, and while 'similar' , certainly does not correspond 'by the numbers' to the Tuareg work.
Also, regarding the croc belly hide as embellishment on grip, very much again, similar to Sudanese (Darfur) hilts, mostly early 1900s, but as you say, certainly not a feature confined to Sudan.

I have not seen enough Saharan examples or other to think of other use of crocodile skin on hilts in other areas, and would really like to know more on this. It would surely seem the totemism recognized in Sudanese areas toward the crocodile surely was present in other regions and tribes.

I recall in Briggs, there was mention of something written by Turnbull on 'crocodile cults', and I wonder if you ever found anything to explain just who or where these were. I thought perhaps the extensive use of crocodile hides on weapon mounts might have some connection.

[TVV]

Loverly sword, but am I the only one to whom the hilt looks similar to those on Toma swords?

Teodor

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by TVV

Loverly sword, but am I the only one to whom the hilt looks similar to those on Toma swords?

Teodor

Well noted Teodor, and hadn't thought of these people further west on the coast Toma/Mande and in Sierra Leone, Guinea. These people used the 'rondel' style hilts, but the sphere atop the pommel disc still reflects Manding and in the Mali regions.

These kinds of diffusion make it really difficult to classify many of these weapons to a certain group or geographic area. All we can do is recognize the influences present in whatever weapon we are examining.

[Iain]

Originally Posted by TVV

Loverly sword, but am I the only one to whom the hilt looks similar to those on Toma swords?

Teodor

The Toma are within the group of Mande peoples. I agree the hilt seems to be the same as examples of Toma swords. I've seen a Toma sword in Wolf's collection which has a takouba blade. So I think its quite possible this sword is from Liberia or there abouts.

[werecow]

I've just acquired one of these with what seems like a (French?) cutlass blade (69 cm, 85 total including the grip; 3.5 cm wide at the base), so currently looking into them and thought I'd add my data point to an existing thread.

They are quite different from the typical Manding swords with the bolbous scabbards (although there is that common pommel "button") but as noted above seem to have a lot in common with the earlier Mende swords from Sierra Leone (particularly the "rondel" elements; see last pic, also here). Since this is an old thread, can anyone comment some more on known connections and the differences between regions maybe?

Rest of the pictures attached are the seller's pics.

Also any ideas about age are welcome. I suspect the blade is 19th c and as such probably older than the hilt but that is about the limit of my knowledge on these.