A French percussion gun with a 27 mm diameter heavy barrel.

Cerjak · 7th November 2017, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Roland_M

Very nice musket Cerjak, congratulations.

Does it have a stecher-trigger (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stecher_(arme))? This would be the evidence for a hunting weapon.

Do you plan to test this beauty on a range? If it would be mine, I would definitely make a shooting range test. The sound of a 27 mm barrel must be overwhelming! My biggest caliber is a .54 pistol, which already sounds like a cannon.

To shoot with black powder is an enourmous fun, which is only outclassed by Mr. Wilson Combat Classic 1911 long slide!

Roland

Roland
I don"t see any stecher-trigger .
Yes for sure it would be very impresive to shoot with this big gun ,But I don't have any material for that and also no Knowledge.
Best

Cerjak

Roland_M · 8th November 2017, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerjak

Roland
I don"t see any stecher-trigger .
Yes for sure it would be very impresive to shoot with this big gun ,But I don't have any material for that and also no Knowledge.
Best

Cerjak

Cerjak,

there are at least two types of stecher-trigger, the German stecher, which has two triggers (one for the mechanism and one for the hammer) and the French stecher with only one trigger (imho better and more sophisticated than the German solution), which must be pushed forward a little bit.
Please try to push the trigger gently forward and see what happens.

If you can push the trigger to release the hammer without moving the trigger forward before, it has no French stecher-trigger.

Best,
Roland

fernando · 8th November 2017, 02:57 PM

Sorry my ignorance Roland ...
Is this trigger set you refer the same resource as the so called 'hair trigger' ?. If so, isn't it more a device for (sports) target shooting ? I realized a heavy game gun like that of Jean-Luc is more like for 'crude' shooting; the target to aim at being large enough

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Here is one with similar caliber (4 bore) and similar weight (7,7 Kgs.) made circa 1848 by Harris Holland for Sir Samuel Baker, who used to call it 'my baby'. It was damaged during an elephant charge and was repaired with elephant skin, covering the stock comb and lockwork.

(Courtesy "Oito Séculos de Historia em Portugal").
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Roland_M · 9th November 2017, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by fernando

Sorry my ignorance Roland ...
Is this trigger set you refer the same resource as the so called 'hair trigger' ?. If so, isn't it more a device for (sports) target shooting ? I realized a heavy game gun like that of Jean-Luc is more like for 'crude' shooting; the target to aim at being large enough

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Here is one with similar caliber (4 bore) and similar weight (7,7 Kgs.) made circa 1848 by Harris Holland for Sir Samuel Baker, who used to call it 'my baby'. It was damaged during an elephant charge and was repaired with elephant skin, covering the stock comb and lockwork.

(Courtesy "Oito Séculos de Historia em Portugal").
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Hi Fernando,

yeah, technically "Stecher" and Hair Trigger means the same, a very light pressure on the Trigger is enough to release the hammer.

Western Revolvers had hair triggers with only ~60 gramms or two oz of trigger-weight for example. Nowadays a carry gun pistol got an average trigger weight of 2kg and more.

I think the difference is that American hair triggers are simply adjusted to release the hammer at a very low pressure (Western Revolvers or modern Ruger Colt 45 if one remove the small springs under the handles), while European stechers had an own pre-stressed mechanism.

Such triggers had been preferably used for duelling and for hunting purposes. Many better duell pistols in the 19ct. had a stecher trigger.

best wishes,
Roland

p.s. and Mae again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2GLbXR3-HI

just

fernando · 9th November 2017, 10:50 AM

I hear that in cold countries like Sweden they have different trigger adjustments between seasons, as fingers skin get stiffer during winter.
I once had a "Schuetzen" .22 carbine with a double set and a small caliber saloon pistol with an adjustable trigger. Both were operational but, as i am no shooter, got rid of them.
I trust that brave Mae doen's hurt her pretty face, or her collar bone, duting those shooting adventures

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8th November 2017, 02:57 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Sorry my ignorance Roland ... Is this trigger set you refer the same resource as the so called 'hair trigger' ?. If so, isn't it more a device for (sports) target shooting ? I realized a heavy game gun like that of Jean-Luc is more like for 'crude' shooting; the target to aim at being large enough . Here is one with similar caliber (4 bore) and similar weight (7,7 Kgs.) made circa 1848 by Harris Holland for Sir Samuel Baker, who used to call it 'my baby'. It was damaged during an elephant charge and was repaired with elephant skin, covering the stock comb and lockwork. (Courtesy "Oito Séculos de Historia em Portugal"). . . Attached Images

9th November 2017, 10:50 AM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I hear that in cold countries like Sweden they have different trigger adjustments between seasons, as fingers skin get stiffer during winter. I once had a "Schuetzen" .22 carbine with a double set and a small caliber saloon pistol with an adjustable trigger. Both were operational but, as i am no shooter, got rid of them. I trust that brave Mae doen's hurt her pretty face, or her collar bone, duting those shooting adventures . . Attached Images