Curious Moro blade

Bill · 19th March 2006, 10:20 PM

Yakan, wish I had noticed it.

Spunjer · 20th March 2006, 12:11 AM

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What is the definition of sundang, then?

sundang: widely accepted term for sword in the philippines from aparri to sulu...

Buwaya · 21st March 2006, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill

Yakan, wish I had noticed it.

What makes you think Yakan?

BSMStar · 21st March 2006, 01:00 PM

Maybe Jim Bowie was in the area and lost it... then it got rehilted.

Its one for the books.

LabanTayo · 21st March 2006, 09:51 PM

i'm curious too.....

nechesh · 21st March 2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LabanTayo

i'm curious too.....

Then it must be a sundang!

zelbone · 22nd March 2006, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill

Yakan, wish I had noticed it.

hmmm....been to Basilan lately, and know something we don't know

?

themorningstar · 22nd March 2006, 03:56 AM

it's yakan???

yakan junggayan sundang???
junggayan yakan sundang???
sundang yakan junggayan???

NEW CATERGORY!!!!!

hehehe...

Battara · 24th March 2006, 09:36 PM

I still think it is a floor wax. (SNL

)

VANDOO · 25th March 2006, 04:04 AM

IT WOULD BE A GOOD PHILIPPINE ENTRY FOR THE STEAK KNIVES OF THE WORLD CATAGORY

THE HANDLE IS NICE AND TRADITIONAL BUT THE BLADE LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING HOMEMADE BY SOMEONE OTHER THAN A PROFESHINAL SWORD OR KNIFE MAKER. OF COURSE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL THE QUALITY OF THE WORKMANSHIP OF THE BLADE FROM THE PICTURES BUT I SUSPECT IT WAS MOSTLY MADE BY STOCK REMOVAL WITH LITTLE OR NO FORGEING WW2 OR LATER. JUST A GUESS FROM THE GUT

LabanTayo · 25th March 2006, 05:58 AM

vandoo,
i havent received the barong yet, so i cant say much yet, but you can see strong lamenation lines throughout the blade in the pictures.

VANDOO · 25th March 2006, 01:52 PM

I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE BLADE, EITHER WAY IT IS A UNIQUE VARIATION OF FORM WORTHY OF ADDING TO THE MIX OF PHILIPPINO/ MORO WEAPONS IN A COLLECTION. PERHAPS MORE SIMULAR EXAMPLES MAY SHOW UP LATER AND MORE INFORMATION ON THE FORM CAN BE GATHERED. CONGRADULATIONS ON THE MYSTERY KNIFE

I WILL LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR OPINION OF IT WHEN IT IS RECEIVED.

Mark · 3rd April 2006, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

I still think it is a floor wax. (SNL

)

::snort!!::

BSMStar · 5th April 2006, 07:12 PM

I do not speak the language, but... yakan junggayan sundang must mean, “old Moro head whacker.” It's a beast indeed!

I do not know about it being a floor wax, more like a floor wax remover.. but you got to crack that sucker just right or you'll lose more floor than wax.

Ian · 15th April 2006, 08:48 PM

The blade below has the same curious "neck" at the ricasso as the original subject of this post. The pictures attached here are an example from the island of Sumbawa in the Indoensian archipelago -- Sumbawa lies between Lombok and Flores, just to the north of Sumba.

This is a heavy large knife/short sword that has seen some use. Primarily a chopper that could serve as a general purpose tool and a defensive arm. The blade is laminated and has a prominent hardened edge that appears to have been heat treated. Nicely made blade with a razor-shape edge. I've included a couple of pictures to show the blade and its temper line.

OAL = 20 1/4 in.
Blade = 14 3/4 in.
Hilt = 6 in.
Blade thickness just in front of hilt = 9/32 in.
Blade thickness at maximum width = 1/8 in.
Maximum width of blade = 1 5/8 in.

It seems that the original subject of this post is related to the style shown here, and is perhaps a blade from Sumbawa that was remounted in Moroland. As such, it is probably not a true Moro weapon, but an interesting hybrid.

Ian.

21st March 2006, 01:00 PM	#4
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	Its a Bo-e Maybe Jim Bowie was in the area and lost it... then it got rehilted. Its one for the books.

15th April 2006, 08:48 PM	#15
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,478	Indonesian blade -- probably from Sumbawa The blade below has the same curious "neck" at the ricasso as the original subject of this post. The pictures attached here are an example from the island of Sumbawa in the Indoensian archipelago -- Sumbawa lies between Lombok and Flores, just to the north of Sumba. This is a heavy large knife/short sword that has seen some use. Primarily a chopper that could serve as a general purpose tool and a defensive arm. The blade is laminated and has a prominent hardened edge that appears to have been heat treated. Nicely made blade with a razor-shape edge. I've included a couple of pictures to show the blade and its temper line. OAL = 20 1/4 in. Blade = 14 3/4 in. Hilt = 6 in. Blade thickness just in front of hilt = 9/32 in. Blade thickness at maximum width = 1/8 in. Maximum width of blade = 1 5/8 in. It seems that the original subject of this post is related to the style shown here, and is perhaps a blade from Sumbawa that was remounted in Moroland. As such, it is probably not a true Moro weapon, but an interesting hybrid. Ian. Attached Images

19th March 2006, 10:20 PM	#1
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	Yakan, wish I had noticed it.

21st March 2006, 09:51 PM	#5
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	i'm curious too.....

22nd March 2006, 03:56 AM	#8
themorningstar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 55	it's yakan??? yakan junggayan sundang??? junggayan yakan sundang??? sundang yakan junggayan??? NEW CATERGORY!!!!! hehehe...

24th March 2006, 09:36 PM	#9
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,339	I still think it is a floor wax. (SNL )

25th March 2006, 04:04 AM	#10
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	IT WOULD BE A GOOD PHILIPPINE ENTRY FOR THE STEAK KNIVES OF THE WORLD CATAGORY THE HANDLE IS NICE AND TRADITIONAL BUT THE BLADE LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING HOMEMADE BY SOMEONE OTHER THAN A PROFESHINAL SWORD OR KNIFE MAKER. OF COURSE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL THE QUALITY OF THE WORKMANSHIP OF THE BLADE FROM THE PICTURES BUT I SUSPECT IT WAS MOSTLY MADE BY STOCK REMOVAL WITH LITTLE OR NO FORGEING WW2 OR LATER. JUST A GUESS FROM THE GUT

25th March 2006, 05:58 AM	#11
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	vandoo, i havent received the barong yet, so i cant say much yet, but you can see strong lamenation lines throughout the blade in the pictures.

25th March 2006, 01:52 PM	#12
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE BLADE, EITHER WAY IT IS A UNIQUE VARIATION OF FORM WORTHY OF ADDING TO THE MIX OF PHILIPPINO/ MORO WEAPONS IN A COLLECTION. PERHAPS MORE SIMULAR EXAMPLES MAY SHOW UP LATER AND MORE INFORMATION ON THE FORM CAN BE GATHERED. CONGRADULATIONS ON THE MYSTERY KNIFE I WILL LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR OPINION OF IT WHEN IT IS RECEIVED.

5th April 2006, 07:12 PM	#14
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	I do not speak the language, but... yakan junggayan sundang must mean, “old Moro head whacker.” It's a beast indeed! I do not know about it being a floor wax, more like a floor wax remover.. but you got to crack that sucker just right or you'll lose more floor than wax.