Roman arrowheads or not

Pukka Bundook · 7th October 2017, 03:34 PM

Quite right about Simon, Kronckew.

Thanks for the link. Had only seen him in Rob't Hardy's book.

I gather though, that some skeletal finds of bowmen, (How they know that for sure I do not know) show twisting of the spine through unequal muscle build -up.
This possibly because of starting to use the bow so young?

kronckew · 7th October 2017, 03:59 PM

i suspect that both upper arms were roughly in line and in compression and the force on both were equal (newton's 3rd law) the spine would remain fairly normal, unless they were also engaged on other heavy tasks that bent them.

heck, richard the third had a bent spine and was a noted warrior and swordsman. as his enemies won, he's had a bad press ever since. the victors write the histories after all...

Pukka Bundook · 8th October 2017, 11:27 PM

Kronckew,

Did you notice how all the peasants on the Beaux tapestry have hunch backs? The nobles are all straight, but peasants all bent!
That sounds about right;
Old English saying, "hard work never killed anyone,....just bent them into funny shapes". (!)

Had heard that Richard 111 hadn't a hunch back, but the "bad press" gave him one! (?)

kronckew · 9th October 2017, 07:23 AM

nah, there are a lot of bent over warriors and nobles as well, they're all drawn a bit lump & bumpy. the bent over guys all seem to be doing something they'd be bent over for in any case. the archers especially seem pretty upright, tho they are using the weaker and less accurate chest draw and the bows look slightly recurved. peasants were of course shown as 'humble' and would bow for their lords and not look them in the face. the tapestry was of course woven by the perfidious french who should have lost

. (the brits got back at them at poiters,crecy and agincourt tho)

...and here is R3's skellyton as found. he did have bad press from the winners, and kowtowing period writers who knew which side their bread was buttered on. his spine was badly bent but from side to side, with not much hump, he was as i mentioned, a noted and accomplished swordsman. in the end he was hacked down by a pole arm, a poll axe or halberd.

see also: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1103...-prove-it.html

Pukka Bundook · 9th October 2017, 03:47 PM

Evidence for bent peasants;

After 50-odd years of farming back in the old dart and here in Canada, I'm getting a bit bent!

LOL & Rest my case. :-)

9th October 2017, 07:23 AM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	nah, there are a lot of bent over warriors and nobles as well, they're all drawn a bit lump & bumpy. the bent over guys all seem to be doing something they'd be bent over for in any case. the archers especially seem pretty upright, tho they are using the weaker and less accurate chest draw and the bows look slightly recurved. peasants were of course shown as 'humble' and would bow for their lords and not look them in the face. the tapestry was of course woven by the perfidious french who should have lost . (the brits got back at them at poiters,crecy and agincourt tho) ...and here is R3's skellyton as found. he did have bad press from the winners, and kowtowing period writers who knew which side their bread was buttered on. his spine was badly bent but from side to side, with not much hump, he was as i mentioned, a noted and accomplished swordsman. in the end he was hacked down by a pole arm, a poll axe or halberd. see also: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1103...-prove-it.html Attached Images

7th October 2017, 03:34 PM	#1
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Quite right about Simon, Kronckew. Thanks for the link. Had only seen him in Rob't Hardy's book. I gather though, that some skeletal finds of bowmen, (How they know that for sure I do not know) show twisting of the spine through unequal muscle build -up. This possibly because of starting to use the bow so young?

7th October 2017, 03:59 PM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	i suspect that both upper arms were roughly in line and in compression and the force on both were equal (newton's 3rd law) the spine would remain fairly normal, unless they were also engaged on other heavy tasks that bent them. heck, richard the third had a bent spine and was a noted warrior and swordsman. as his enemies won, he's had a bad press ever since. the victors write the histories after all...

8th October 2017, 11:27 PM	#3
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Kronckew, Did you notice how all the peasants on the Beaux tapestry have hunch backs? The nobles are all straight, but peasants all bent! That sounds about right; Old English saying, "hard work never killed anyone,....just bent them into funny shapes". (!) Had heard that Richard 111 hadn't a hunch back, but the "bad press" gave him one! (?)

9th October 2017, 03:47 PM	#5
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Evidence for bent peasants; After 50-odd years of farming back in the old dart and here in Canada, I'm getting a bit bent! LOL & Rest my case. :-)