Roman arrowheads or not

Johan van Zyl · 2nd October 2017, 10:46 AM

This is fascinating stuff, Kronckew! I have previously done some reading up on skeletal muscle attachments, especially pertaining to archeological excavations. The forensics behind this field of study is gripping.

Johan

kronckew · 2nd October 2017, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Johan van Zyl

This is fascinating stuff, Kronckew! I have previously done some reading up on skeletal muscle attachments, especially pertaining to archeological excavations. The forensics behind this field of study is gripping.

Johan

you may enjoy this article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ified-RSI.html

Johan van Zyl · 3rd October 2017, 03:15 PM

Very interesting indeed! Thanks for the link!

Johan

Pukka Bundook · 4th October 2017, 03:21 PM

Kronckew has it exactly right;

The English archers of the Tudor period must have looked like Quasimodo with their great muscles all geared to draw such bows.
Simon Stanley can draw and shoot a bow of 190 lbs, but doesn't like to I gather, because it Hurts!
170 lbs he can draw all day.

Always been interested in the old longbows, Have two home-mades half tillered at present, and 80 lbs pull at half draw. Need to work on them more as I'm a weed compared to our ancestors!

kronckew · 4th October 2017, 04:12 PM

simon doesn't look like quasimodo

i'd not like to get a punch from him tho.

see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR0pvYkZy7A

that also answers the question about a logbow penetration of period armour, tho the steel plate over ballistic putty didn't have a layer of gambeson over it.

Pukka Bundook · 7th October 2017, 03:34 PM

Quite right about Simon, Kronckew.

Thanks for the link. Had only seen him in Rob't Hardy's book.

I gather though, that some skeletal finds of bowmen, (How they know that for sure I do not know) show twisting of the spine through unequal muscle build -up.
This possibly because of starting to use the bow so young?

kronckew · 7th October 2017, 03:59 PM

i suspect that both upper arms were roughly in line and in compression and the force on both were equal (newton's 3rd law) the spine would remain fairly normal, unless they were also engaged on other heavy tasks that bent them.

heck, richard the third had a bent spine and was a noted warrior and swordsman. as his enemies won, he's had a bad press ever since. the victors write the histories after all...

2nd October 2017, 10:46 AM	#1
Johan van Zyl Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: I live in Gordon's Bay, a village in the Western Cape Province in South Africa. Posts: 126	This is fascinating stuff, Kronckew! I have previously done some reading up on skeletal muscle attachments, especially pertaining to archeological excavations. The forensics behind this field of study is gripping. Johan

3rd October 2017, 03:15 PM	#3
Johan van Zyl Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: I live in Gordon's Bay, a village in the Western Cape Province in South Africa. Posts: 126	Very interesting indeed! Thanks for the link! Johan

4th October 2017, 03:21 PM	#4
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Kronckew has it exactly right; The English archers of the Tudor period must have looked like Quasimodo with their great muscles all geared to draw such bows. Simon Stanley can draw and shoot a bow of 190 lbs, but doesn't like to I gather, because it Hurts! 170 lbs he can draw all day. Always been interested in the old longbows, Have two home-mades half tillered at present, and 80 lbs pull at half draw. Need to work on them more as I'm a weed compared to our ancestors!

4th October 2017, 04:12 PM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	simon doesn't look like quasimodo i'd not like to get a punch from him tho. see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR0pvYkZy7A that also answers the question about a logbow penetration of period armour, tho the steel plate over ballistic putty didn't have a layer of gambeson over it.

7th October 2017, 03:34 PM	#6
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Quite right about Simon, Kronckew. Thanks for the link. Had only seen him in Rob't Hardy's book. I gather though, that some skeletal finds of bowmen, (How they know that for sure I do not know) show twisting of the spine through unequal muscle build -up. This possibly because of starting to use the bow so young?

7th October 2017, 03:59 PM	#7
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	i suspect that both upper arms were roughly in line and in compression and the force on both were equal (newton's 3rd law) the spine would remain fairly normal, unless they were also engaged on other heavy tasks that bent them. heck, richard the third had a bent spine and was a noted warrior and swordsman. as his enemies won, he's had a bad press ever since. the victors write the histories after all...