A further koummya

motan · 30th September 2017, 10:08 PM

Thanks Kubur. What you say makes a lot of sense, but..some questions are still open.
-The blades on Corrado26's pieces are very different. They are definately of good quality, but the are not typical koummya style. Hollow forged style is seen in koummyas that I think are from about the turn of the 19th c., but the extra bevel is strange. Some are marked with B and a number. Therefore, mariusgmioc's question about their origin is good one.
-The similarity to the guns is not that obvious, except for the use of camel bone plates.
So, I agree that these are probably early pieces for the tourist market.
Also, quality and age are not 1:1. Probably, some koummyas were made in less professional workshops, but are basically the same age as what they imitate ("village type") and have even been used by locals.
It is still true that most 19th c. pieces are of higher (but variable) quality and were made in one of the traditional styles described in http://nimcha.fr/koummya.htm

motan · 1st October 2017, 06:31 AM

Just a last remark. If the type is not een early one, but the quality is much better that what is usual for the type, they could well be "presentation" daggers, made as gift for important visitors.

Kubur · 1st October 2017, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by motan

Just a last remark. If the type is not een early one, but the quality is much better that what is usual for the type, they could well be "presentation" daggers, made as gift for important visitors.

Exactly, sort of diplomatic gifts like the pistols and long guns ...

corrado26 · 1st October 2017, 08:32 AM

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=koummya

This link shows more koummyas with the same quality blades and as is esplained, all have obviously been made for presentation purposes. My items all but one come from the collection of the former tennis Champion Baron von Cramm, who was married with the then richest women of the world Barbara Hutton. Cramm had since 1951 a transport firm in Egypt and so I think he bought these daggers in the fifties or maybe shortly before.
corrado26

30th September 2017, 10:08 PM	#1
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Thanks Kubur. What you say makes a lot of sense, but..some questions are still open. -The blades on Corrado26's pieces are very different. They are definately of good quality, but the are not typical koummya style. Hollow forged style is seen in koummyas that I think are from about the turn of the 19th c., but the extra bevel is strange. Some are marked with B and a number. Therefore, mariusgmioc's question about their origin is good one. -The similarity to the guns is not that obvious, except for the use of camel bone plates. So, I agree that these are probably early pieces for the tourist market. Also, quality and age are not 1:1. Probably, some koummyas were made in less professional workshops, but are basically the same age as what they imitate ("village type") and have even been used by locals. It is still true that most 19th c. pieces are of higher (but variable) quality and were made in one of the traditional styles described in http://nimcha.fr/koummya.htm

1st October 2017, 06:31 AM	#2
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Just a last remark. If the type is not een early one, but the quality is much better that what is usual for the type, they could well be "presentation" daggers, made as gift for important visitors.

1st October 2017, 08:32 AM	#4
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,237	http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=koummya This link shows more koummyas with the same quality blades and as is esplained, all have obviously been made for presentation purposes. My items all but one come from the collection of the former tennis Champion Baron von Cramm, who was married with the then richest women of the world Barbara Hutton. Cramm had since 1951 a transport firm in Egypt and so I think he bought these daggers in the fifties or maybe shortly before. corrado26