Persian percussion gun repair.

ariel · 24th September 2017, 09:59 PM

Thanks Rick!

Your position is noted and it clarifies a lot . End justifies the means, in a positive sense.

Again, thanks for the lesson.

estcrh · 25th September 2017, 03:10 AM

Sind percussion long gun, 63 inches, converted from matchlock. This has two stock splices, they do not appear to have been glued at all, how common was this, I have seen this before on Indian matchlocks.

qusko · 3rd February 2019, 06:44 PM

Adding another persian rifle here. Similar connection of two pieces of wood. A little bit different rifle butt.

David R · 6th February 2019, 09:27 PM

I have seen Western percussion muskets with a two piece stock as well, though they had a very well fitted mortise and tenon join rather than a V splice. Anything beyond the forward hand grip point contributes nothing to the structural integrity of the piece anyway.

kahnjar1 · 7th February 2019, 07:35 AM

This Sind also has a spliced stock, but only one splice, and never glued by the look of it.Simply held by the bands.
Stu

Pukka Bundook · 7th February 2019, 02:53 PM

Yes, spliced stocks not glued seems very common in Eastern arms.
The only concern is that they don't come apart with recoil, so have to be banded pretty tightly.
Some very nice arms in this thread!

All the best,
Richard.

rickystl · 9th February 2019, 03:55 PM

Hi Gusko

That is an interesting gun. To me, this one has an Afghan build quality to it. But with a Persian/Caucasian styled butt stock. That iron reinforcing strap around the butt is similar to many Caucasian rifles, but styled a bit different.
The lock plate itself is very similar to the percussion plates on Sindh guns, but with the hammer more crudely made. The trigger guard and barrel bands also have an Afghan look to them. Again, a very interesting piece.

Both my Caucasian and Sindh guns also have this spliced stock. It does seem to be a rather common stock feature with many of these guns. Although every Ottoman stock I've seen has been one piece.

Another feature I've noticed on Sindh guns are the sling swivels. Instead of two single swivels, there are two pairs (4) as shown above. Every Sindh gun I can recall seeing has this feature. Although mine has the twin swivels on the rear, and a fancy knotted leather fastening on the fore stock.

Rick

25th September 2017, 03:10 AM	#2
estcrh Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: USA Posts: 1,492	Sind percussion long gun, 63 inches, converted from matchlock. This has two stock splices, they do not appear to have been glued at all, how common was this, I have seen this before on Indian matchlocks. Attached Images

3rd February 2019, 06:44 PM	#3
qusko Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 62	Adding another persian rifle here. Similar connection of two pieces of wood. A little bit different rifle butt. Attached Images

7th February 2019, 07:35 AM	#5
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,800	Another Sind with spliced stock This Sind also has a spliced stock, but only one splice, and never glued by the look of it.Simply held by the bands. Stu Attached Images

24th September 2017, 09:59 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Thanks Rick! Your position is noted and it clarifies a lot . End justifies the means, in a positive sense. Again, thanks for the lesson.

6th February 2019, 09:27 PM	#4
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,123	I have seen Western percussion muskets with a two piece stock as well, though they had a very well fitted mortise and tenon join rather than a V splice. Anything beyond the forward hand grip point contributes nothing to the structural integrity of the piece anyway.

7th February 2019, 02:53 PM	#6
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Yes, spliced stocks not glued seems very common in Eastern arms. The only concern is that they don't come apart with recoil, so have to be banded pretty tightly. Some very nice arms in this thread! All the best, Richard.

9th February 2019, 03:55 PM	#7
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Hi Gusko That is an interesting gun. To me, this one has an Afghan build quality to it. But with a Persian/Caucasian styled butt stock. That iron reinforcing strap around the butt is similar to many Caucasian rifles, but styled a bit different. The lock plate itself is very similar to the percussion plates on Sindh guns, but with the hammer more crudely made. The trigger guard and barrel bands also have an Afghan look to them. Again, a very interesting piece. Both my Caucasian and Sindh guns also have this spliced stock. It does seem to be a rather common stock feature with many of these guns. Although every Ottoman stock I've seen has been one piece. Another feature I've noticed on Sindh guns are the sling swivels. Instead of two single swivels, there are two pairs (4) as shown above. Every Sindh gun I can recall seeing has this feature. Although mine has the twin swivels on the rear, and a fancy knotted leather fastening on the fore stock. Rick