Difficulty’s in working with meteorite as a pamor material

Mark · 15th March 2006, 03:40 PM

Purwacarita, Necesh, will you drop it, please? Consider yourselves warned.

Feel free to continue the substance of the discussion, and feel free to continue your personal discussions via PM and e-mail. However, leave out the side comments in your forum posts.

Jeff Pringle · 15th March 2006, 04:24 PM

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Jeff, correct me if i am wrong, but you seem to be speaking from a modern custom knife making perspective. I certainly do believe that higher percentage meteoric blades are possible to construct, but do you really think this is happening in the keris world?

You are correct, I am speaking from a 'custom knife' perspective. However, my methods are rather primitive/'historically informed' shall we say - I'm not using alot of modern improvements to help me. So all I'm saying is, it is possible to get quite a bit of meteorite into a blade, and it's doable with traditional forging methods.
I am definitely NOT well enough informed to say if this is happening in the keris world.
The difficulty of working the material and the romance/coolness factor of meteoric material would lead me to believe that meteorite content would tend to get exagerated and/or invented in most cases, but it also leads me to hope that there are a few traditionally-minded smiths out there working it, too.

Rick · 15th March 2006, 05:13 PM

I know of at least one .

His work is usually never for sale .

purwacarita · 17th March 2006, 12:46 PM

Hi Pusaka, I appreciate your reason back up your statement. Whether C is a good eletrical conductor or not...

( deep breath taken ) depends on its instrinsic impedance character towards applied voltage which before the avalanche voltage, the current will be very small and thus considered electrical resistor, but it will be a conductor after avalanche voltage. I saw an interesting scientific show that C was cooled downto 4 deg. Celcius by liquid Nitrogen, it becomed superconductor and resisted surrounding electromagnetic field. It was explained by the expo participants while I saw a floating black Carbon pill rotating above a magnet full of white mist from the Nitrogen. Electrical engineering is not my area and I don't know whether the floating C is pure or not, but above is my back up reason to stay put to say C in keris is insulator because of room temperature ( deep breath taken again ) until more convicing explanations

fit my logic. Yet it is hard to connect the mysterious yoni energy with scientific logics.

Hi nechesh, I have nothing against you & didn't send you any PMs. I would have if I had chips on my shoulders. When I bring forth weaknesses in my own community, I never mean to discredit nor to humiliate my own people, but it is the fact which should be admitted before it can be dealt. You know how it feels yourself when people choose to comment about your self rather than your quote. Please understand to comment on my quote rather than my self before count reach 10, you heard the modre ogre.

I can say idealism and I want to consistently live by it, and thus because of that I need to say I'm sorry I've stepped on your toes.

Hi Rick. When really it reaches 10, please feel free to delete this post or omit passage you deem necessary. I'll understand that you'd do what you have to do, and so do I. I hope this post clear up the fog.

~Hing ngarsa sung tuladha, Hing madya mangun karsa, Tut wuri handayani.

Andrew · 17th March 2006, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by purwacarita

Hi Pusaka, I appreciate your reason back up your statement. Whether C is a good eletrical conductor or not...

( deep breath taken ) depends on its instrinsic impedance character towards applied voltage which before the avalanche voltage, the current will be very small and thus considered electrical resistor, but it will be a conductor after avalanche voltage. I saw an interesting scientific show that C was cooled downto 4 deg. Celcius by liquid Nitrogen, it becomed superconductor and resisted surrounding electromagnetic field. It was explained by the expo participants while I saw a floating black Carbon pill rotating above a magnet full of white mist from the Nitrogen. Electrical engineering is not my area and I don't know whether the floating C is pure or not, but above is my back up reason to stay put to say C in keris is insulator because of room temperature ( deep breath taken again ) until more convicing explanations

fit my logic. Yet it is hard to connect the mysterious yoni energy with scientific logics.

Hi nechesh, I have nothing against you & didn't send you any PMs. I would have if I had chips on my shoulders. When I bring forth weaknesses in my own community, I never mean to discredit nor to humiliate my own people, but it is the fact which should be admitted before it can be dealt. You know how it feels yourself when people choose to comment about your self rather than your quote. Please understand to comment on my quote rather than my self before count reach 10, you heard the modre ogre.

I can say idealism and I want to consistently live by it, and thus because of that I need to say I'm sorry I've stepped on your toes.

Hi Rick. When really it reaches 10, please feel free to delete this post or omit passage you deem necessary. I'll understand that you'd do what you have to do, and so do I. I hope this post clear up the fog.

~Hing ngarsa sung tuladha, Hing madya mangun karsa, Tut wuri handayani.

Here's the thing: I honestly have no idea what's going on here. It appears there is some sub-text or another, private conversation going on which casual observers like myself are not privy to.

If so, that's fine. Please keep it private. In other words, stop making cryptic comments on this public board. That goes for everyone, not just Purwacarita.

Rick · 17th March 2006, 05:05 PM

Well said Andrew .

I had no problems with Purwa's first paragraph ; but the second , personal part does not fit Mark's demand to "drop it" .

Everyone ; speak plainly , in English with no innuendo please .

Jeff Pringle · 18th March 2006, 04:15 PM

One more thought on e.t. vs. terrestrial material; Meteorites contain more Iridium than earth materials, and you could probably do a spectrographic analysis to detect that material without doing any more damage to the blade than a restoration cleaning.
These days, of course, store-bought Iridium could be incorporated into a blade, but it would probably be as much expense & trouble as using real meteorite and not give you the right trace amount, so I don't see deliberate fakers going down that road.

15th March 2006, 03:40 PM	#1
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	Count to 10 Purwacarita, Necesh, will you drop it, please? Consider yourselves warned. Feel free to continue the substance of the discussion, and feel free to continue your personal discussions via PM and e-mail. However, leave out the side comments in your forum posts.

15th March 2006, 05:13 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	I know of at least one . His work is usually never for sale .

17th March 2006, 12:46 PM	#4
purwacarita Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 54	Hi Pusaka, I appreciate your reason back up your statement. Whether C is a good eletrical conductor or not... ( deep breath taken ) depends on its instrinsic impedance character towards applied voltage which before the avalanche voltage, the current will be very small and thus considered electrical resistor, but it will be a conductor after avalanche voltage. I saw an interesting scientific show that C was cooled downto 4 deg. Celcius by liquid Nitrogen, it becomed superconductor and resisted surrounding electromagnetic field. It was explained by the expo participants while I saw a floating black Carbon pill rotating above a magnet full of white mist from the Nitrogen. Electrical engineering is not my area and I don't know whether the floating C is pure or not, but above is my back up reason to stay put to say C in keris is insulator because of room temperature ( deep breath taken again ) until more convicing explanations fit my logic. Yet it is hard to connect the mysterious yoni energy with scientific logics. Hi nechesh, I have nothing against you & didn't send you any PMs. I would have if I had chips on my shoulders. When I bring forth weaknesses in my own community, I never mean to discredit nor to humiliate my own people, but it is the fact which should be admitted before it can be dealt. You know how it feels yourself when people choose to comment about your self rather than your quote. Please understand to comment on my quote rather than my self before count reach 10, you heard the modre ogre. I can say idealism and I want to consistently live by it, and thus because of that I need to say I'm sorry I've stepped on your toes. Hi Rick. When really it reaches 10, please feel free to delete this post or omit passage you deem necessary. I'll understand that you'd do what you have to do, and so do I. I hope this post clear up the fog. ~Hing ngarsa sung tuladha, Hing madya mangun karsa, Tut wuri handayani.

17th March 2006, 05:05 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Well said Andrew . I had no problems with Purwa's first paragraph ; but the second , personal part does not fit Mark's demand to "drop it" . Everyone ; speak plainly , in English with no innuendo please .

18th March 2006, 04:15 PM	#7
Jeff Pringle Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 189	One more thought on e.t. vs. terrestrial material; Meteorites contain more Iridium than earth materials, and you could probably do a spectrographic analysis to detect that material without doing any more damage to the blade than a restoration cleaning. These days, of course, store-bought Iridium could be incorporated into a blade, but it would probably be as much expense & trouble as using real meteorite and not give you the right trace amount, so I don't see deliberate fakers going down that road.