Old Ottoman daggers

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by Victrix

Hi Kubur,

Is the tang supposed to look like that or was it broken off? Would be interesting to know if Ottoman daggers were constructed without proper tangs.

Not cut, not broken, yes it's interesting.
For me it's a proof of the stabbing function.
You can ask to Kurt if he wants to remove his blade just to check but
I doubt that he will agree...

[kronckew]

Originally Posted by Kubur

Not cut, not broken, yes it's interesting.
For me it's a proof of the stabbing function.
You can ask to Kurt if he wants to remove his blade just to check but
I doubt that he will agree...

if you google rock crystal hilted daggers, where you can see the tangs, you will be surprised at how short they were and are.

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by kronckew

if you google rock crystal hilted daggers, where you can see the tangs, you will be surprised at how short they were and are.

Rock crystal daggers were not built as functional daggers but more like dress/ceremonial daggers. While some of them may be capable of delivering a deadly blow, most of them would break at at the slightest impact.

[Victrix]

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Rock crystal daggers were not built as functional daggers but more like dress/ceremonial daggers. While some of them may be capable of delivering a deadly blow, most of them would break at at the slightest impact.

I guess daggers with strong curvature to the blade also suggest more ceremonial or decorative use although the shape could be useful in very confined space.

[kronckew]

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Rock crystal daggers were not built as functional daggers but more like dress/ceremonial daggers. While some of them may be capable of delivering a deadly blow, most of them would break at at the slightest impact.

from a knife maker that makes gemstone grips:

"This ridiculous notion of fragility occurs because people think all rock is glass, or that rock is somehow too fragile for a knife handle. These same people wouldn't dare have a tile floor would they, because it might chip or crack. They wouldn't have a granite countertop because it might chip or crack. I bring up these ridiculous comparisons because those same folks would swear by the strength and durability of granite and tile, and most gemstones used on fine custom handmade knives are many times harder, tougher, and overly stronger than those materials. As I've stated before on this very site, the tip of the knife blade is the most fragile part of any knife, and if you drop it on a rock, or use it to pry, it will snap. In the several thousand gemstone handled knives I've made over thirty years, I've only had one small chip. ONE. One in two thousand. The guy dropped it just right on another piece of stone. How many micarta or wood handles would be scarred, dinged, dented, cracked, dried out, stained, scratched, gouged, scuffed, or discolored? By the way, gemstone does not scar, ding, dent, crack, dry out, stain, scratch, gouge, scuff, or discolor. In ten thousand years when the blade is nothing but dust, the bolsters too, and any resemblance to a knife has long been lost to history, the handle will look like the day it left the shop. Look to history for the answer. The longest lasting, most enduring pieces ever made in the history of mankind are made of stone."

if they were that fragile, we'd not ever come across them & they'd not command high prices.

i think you'd be surprised at how short historic tangs could be and still function as designed. odd that the ancients made do with stub and partial tang weapons well into the age of gunpowder, and the modern full tang craze came after edged weapons were no longer the primary combat weapon. how the knife is mounted onto the grip doesn't always require a long bulky tang.