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21st August 2017, 12:29 PM
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do you have changed your name because you like my one more?   Best, Detlef |
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21st August 2017, 01:45 PM
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Double indentity or passport? :)
Saw that too, got a bit confused. I gather Kai send me the reply with the links and not Detlef? Sorry for my misnaming.
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21st August 2017, 02:59 PM
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Hello Kulino,
Thank you for posting the pics of these nice and rare pieces with different designs. Has anybody an opinion about the estimated age of these pieces, personally I am totally confused about it although it may not be considered as important. Regards 
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21st August 2017, 05:22 PM
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Hello Jean,
As far as I understand, although these keris are named and dated as keris Majapahit, this must be considered a misconception. Indeed the one found inside one of the stupa op Borobudur (now in the collection of Theo Alkema) might be an indication of when they were made. However, there is no reason why they couldn't have been made earlier or later. Among others, Theo Alkema ( Book: Iron Ancestors) and Martin Kerner (A statistic study on the morphology of keris) come to the same conclusion: There is no certain way of telling how old they might be. When I was at Martin Kerner's home I handled a proto keris ( as depicted on candi Suku). It was dug up from the slopes of the inside Bromo krater. He had this specimen carbon dated. The conclusion was (within a certain time frame), around 800 ad. The Knaud keris has not been subjected to this kind of testing, there is only a year indication. Apart from these more or less subjective indications, there is no certainty. When my friend collector and I discussed this, we tried to be open minded and be guided by what we saw’. By looking at the individual keris and by comparing among others, skin, material, wear, weight, figurine posture, tilt, squat, head attire, face, body decorations, one might conclude that one keris is part of a group and the one group could be older than the other. The wear could be a problem. Has this keris, tosan aji, been dug up, been taken care of properly, placed in the stream of a sawa, revered as pusaka? The same approach can be used when looking at the Jimat and Kudi published on the other forum. As indicated earlier, there has already been an extensive discussion and a link to Alan Maisey’s site with lots of information. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...highlight=putut |
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21st August 2017, 05:26 PM
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next batch
Next batch.
Last edited by Kulino; 22nd August 2017 at 07:27 AM. |
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21st August 2017, 05:27 PM
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box 2overview
Box 2 overview
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21st August 2017, 08:36 PM
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Hello Detlef,
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Regards, Kai "a rose by any other name..." 
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21st August 2017, 08:42 PM
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22nd August 2017, 09:48 AM
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box3.1
BTW Box 1 contains Jimat, so Sajen started with box 2.
For the sake of speed, I'll limit the amout of pictures of each keris to1, instead of three. |
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22nd August 2017, 09:50 AM
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Box 3.2
Second part of box 3
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22nd August 2017, 09:51 AM
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3.3
Third part of box 3. Plus overview
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22nd August 2017, 09:57 AM
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box 4.1
Box 4.1. Pretty sure there some and not old copies in this part.
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