Assistance requested for ID of smallsword

kronckew · 19th August 2017, 09:49 AM

translation from google (my technical german ain't all that hot either, neither is google's). i added a missing bit from your source page

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Single-edged blade, on both sides with hollow path and hollow flute
Blade back with dealer name and place of manufacture:
Keibel in Berlin

Brass vessel gold plated
Hand grip made of wood
With a strap around the fingers, which makes the sword troz its great size, similar to the often encountered finger-lobes of leather

Total length: 105cm
Blade length: 89cm
Grip length: 16cm
Weight: 926g

shayde78 · 25th August 2017, 07:54 PM

HERE is a document about this type of smallsword. It is in German, but I thought others might find it interesting. I'm going to take the time to re-learn the language a bit and translate what I can, but thought I'd park the link here for future reference.

By the way, from what I can tell my example pictured seems to be early 1800s, with some similar examples having been used in the Freiheitkrieg, which I'm thinking if the American Revolutionary War, but could refer to another war for independence of which I'm not familiar. Still, the dates given for this 'krieg' are late 1700s.

Cheers, all.

Victrix · 25th August 2017, 08:41 PM

There was a Freiheitskrieg ("Freedom War") a.k.a Befreiungskrieg ("Liberation War") in Germany against the Napoleonic Empire 1813-15. A loose German Confederation was formed after Napoleon's defeat at Waterloo in 1815. This paved the way for the creation of the German Empire under Prussian leadership in 1871 after the Franco-Prussian war. I think it might be challenging to talk about "Germany" as a country before 1871 but could be wrong. Might be more helpful to say Prussian, Saxon, Bavarian, etc before that year. Of course these were all Germanic states where the German language was spoken.

corrado26 · 26th August 2017, 10:38 AM

For those who are able to read and understand German text here a copy out of "Gerd Maier, Preussische Blankwaffen, Volume I (of 12)".
corrado26

kronckew · 26th August 2017, 12:19 PM

danke schön.

drawing indicates it is a special or alternate infantry officer form. (sonderform), with the shell about to explode on the grip wrapping. grenadier?

corrado26 · 26th August 2017, 12:29 PM

The owner belonged to one of the Prussian Guard Grenadier Regiments
corrado26

shayde78 · 24th October 2017, 04:48 AM

Revisiting the piece in the original post, any advice on how to restore the missing wire wrap on the grip?

26th August 2017, 10:38 AM	#4
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	For those who are able to read and understand German text here a copy out of "Gerd Maier, Preussische Blankwaffen, Volume I (of 12)". corrado26 Attached Images

19th August 2017, 09:49 AM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	translation from google (my technical german ain't all that hot either, neither is google's). i added a missing bit from your source page . Single-edged blade, on both sides with hollow path and hollow flute Blade back with dealer name and place of manufacture: Keibel in Berlin Brass vessel gold plated Hand grip made of wood With a strap around the fingers, which makes the sword troz its great size, similar to the often encountered finger-lobes of leather Total length: 105cm Blade length: 89cm Grip length: 16cm Weight: 926g

25th August 2017, 07:54 PM	#2
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 445	HERE is a document about this type of smallsword. It is in German, but I thought others might find it interesting. I'm going to take the time to re-learn the language a bit and translate what I can, but thought I'd park the link here for future reference. By the way, from what I can tell my example pictured seems to be early 1800s, with some similar examples having been used in the Freiheitkrieg, which I'm thinking if the American Revolutionary War, but could refer to another war for independence of which I'm not familiar. Still, the dates given for this 'krieg' are late 1700s. Cheers, all.

25th August 2017, 08:41 PM	#3
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	There was a Freiheitskrieg ("Freedom War") a.k.a Befreiungskrieg ("Liberation War") in Germany against the Napoleonic Empire 1813-15. A loose German Confederation was formed after Napoleon's defeat at Waterloo in 1815. This paved the way for the creation of the German Empire under Prussian leadership in 1871 after the Franco-Prussian war. I think it might be challenging to talk about "Germany" as a country before 1871 but could be wrong. Might be more helpful to say Prussian, Saxon, Bavarian, etc before that year. Of course these were all Germanic states where the German language was spoken.

26th August 2017, 12:19 PM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	danke schön. drawing indicates it is a special or alternate infantry officer form. (sonderform), with the shell about to explode on the grip wrapping. grenadier?

26th August 2017, 12:29 PM	#6
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	The owner belonged to one of the Prussian Guard Grenadier Regiments corrado26

24th October 2017, 04:48 AM	#7
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 445	Revisiting the piece in the original post, any advice on how to restore the missing wire wrap on the grip?