Silver Keris

kai · 14th August 2017, 02:18 PM

I guess we all agree that these 2 hilts are of the same style.

Still, I'd be very cautious of any claims like same maker/workshop/school - successful designs tend to get copied very quickly!

My best guess would be that this non-traditional hilt reflects the European influence during the first half of the 20th century (up to Indonesian independence) in Bali (or, possibly less likely, Lombok). I can't rule out a Madurese origin nor Kota Gede work though.

Regards,
Kai
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Photo credits: left hand pic cropped from the catalog of the IFICAH exhibition (Weihrauch & al. 2015), copyright Günther Heckmann (IFICAH); right hand pic from Roland (post #1).

kai · 14th August 2017, 02:31 PM

The scabbard is certainly interesting and with 3 examples we have established an pattern...

Note that Roland's example has the tips curled inside while in the 2 examples from the IFICAH exhibition they are pointing outside. Moreover, the carved motifs of all 3 examples are very different!

Any hints for the buntut being a repair for a broken scabbard tip in your piece, Roland?

I'm not convinced that Jean's pendok has any relationship with these 3 discussed here. (Thanks for adding the pic!)

Regards,
Kai
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Photo credits: left from Roland (post #1); middle & right hand pic cropped from the catalog of the IFICAH exhibition (Weihrauch & al. 2015), copyright Günther Heckmann.

Sajen · 15th August 2017, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kai

.... interesting and with 3 examples we have established an pattern....

Thank you Kai for posting the three examples side by side!

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

I'm not convinced that Jean's pendok has any relationship with these 3 discussed here. (Thanks for adding the pic!)

Agree with you, certainly no relationship with the three other examples.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 15th August 2017, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

I guess we all agree that these 2 hilts are of the same style.

Still, I'd be very cautious of any claims like same maker/workshop/school - successful designs tend to get copied very quickly!

My best guess would be that this non-traditional hilt reflects the European influence during the first half of the 20th century (up to Indonesian independence) in Bali (or, possibly less likely, Lombok). I can't rule out a Madurese origin nor Kota Gede work though.

Agree in all points with you!

14th August 2017, 02:31 PM	#2
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	The scabbard is certainly interesting and with 3 examples we have established an pattern... Note that Roland's example has the tips curled inside while in the 2 examples from the IFICAH exhibition they are pointing outside. Moreover, the carved motifs of all 3 examples are very different! Any hints for the buntut being a repair for a broken scabbard tip in your piece, Roland? I'm not convinced that Jean's pendok has any relationship with these 3 discussed here. (Thanks for adding the pic!) Regards, Kai -- Photo credits: left from Roland (post #1); middle & right hand pic cropped from the catalog of the IFICAH exhibition (Weihrauch & al. 2015), copyright Günther Heckmann. Attached Images

14th August 2017, 02:18 PM	#1
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	I guess we all agree that these 2 hilts are of the same style. Still, I'd be very cautious of any claims like same maker/workshop/school - successful designs tend to get copied very quickly! My best guess would be that this non-traditional hilt reflects the European influence during the first half of the 20th century (up to Indonesian independence) in Bali (or, possibly less likely, Lombok). I can't rule out a Madurese origin nor Kota Gede work though. Regards, Kai -- Photo credits: left hand pic cropped from the catalog of the IFICAH exhibition (Weihrauch & al. 2015), copyright Günther Heckmann (IFICAH); right hand pic from Roland (post #1). Attached Images Last edited by kai; 14th August 2017 at 02:41 PM.