Figural !

David · 8th August 2017, 06:32 PM

hmmm....now i am even more intrigued...

Sajen · 8th August 2017, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by David

hmmm....now i am even more intrigued...

Hi David,

here the picture from the complete keris, the sarung from Roland's keris is very similar and it looks like they coming from the same workshop.
Both examples have a scabbard complete covered with silver sheet, with very good embossing and engraving work, outstanding work indeed. It's not exactly dated but guessed by the work done on this piece to end of the 19th to early 20th century. I would concur with this dating.
Here a picture from this keris, sadly it will be difficult to see the fine work.

Regards,
Detlef

David · 8th August 2017, 07:13 PM

Thanks Detlef.

A. G. Maisey · 9th August 2017, 12:06 AM

Roland, I have never known a Balinese silver worker to cast this type of silver work, these hilts, and the thousands upon thousands of other silver objects that the craftsmen around Celuk make are 99.9% fabricated. Same goes for the workers in Kota Gede in Central Jawa.

There are production reasons and cost reasons for this. Casting is only economical when the quantity of silver used is not a consideration, or when the labour involved in casting will be offset by mass production. These hilts are not mass produced, they are one off productions.

Jean · 9th August 2017, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hi David,

here the picture from the complete keris, the sarung from Roland's keris is very similar and it looks like they coming from the same workshop.
Both examples have a scabbard complete covered with silver sheet, with very good embossing and engraving work, outstanding work indeed. It's not exactly dated but guessed by the work done on this piece to end of the 19th to early 20th century. I would concur with this dating.
Here a picture from this keris, sadly it will be difficult to see the fine work.

Regards,
Detlef

From the pics (so I may be wrong) I doubt that these pieces are that old and the style of embossed decoration is not Balinese?

Regards

A. G. Maisey · 9th August 2017, 10:31 AM

Yes Jean, absolutely.

Ornamentation is not Balinese style, the "dragon"(?) is not Balinese style. I cannot see much of Bali anywhere, however, to the best of my knowledge China has not yet started to dabble in the keris market, the way it has in other collectables markets, so I'm prepared to accept this as Balinese for the time being.

8th August 2017, 06:32 PM	#1
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	hmmm....now i am even more intrigued...

8th August 2017, 07:13 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	Thanks Detlef.

9th August 2017, 12:06 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Roland, I have never known a Balinese silver worker to cast this type of silver work, these hilts, and the thousands upon thousands of other silver objects that the craftsmen around Celuk make are 99.9% fabricated. Same goes for the workers in Kota Gede in Central Jawa. There are production reasons and cost reasons for this. Casting is only economical when the quantity of silver used is not a consideration, or when the labour involved in casting will be offset by mass production. These hilts are not mass produced, they are one off productions.

9th August 2017, 10:31 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Yes Jean, absolutely. Ornamentation is not Balinese style, the "dragon"(?) is not Balinese style. I cannot see much of Bali anywhere, however, to the best of my knowledge China has not yet started to dabble in the keris market, the way it has in other collectables markets, so I'm prepared to accept this as Balinese for the time being.