Swords a la Portuguese

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 6th August 2017, 06:11 PM

Quite a late invention almost a revival sword...but with vestiges of the Jinete and accents from the Nimcha and with long live Spain on the blade. It seemed a pity not to include.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 6th August 2017, 06:25 PM

This is a Portuguese sword though lightly disguised as something else;

fernando · 10th August 2017, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Quite a late invention almost a revival sword...but with vestiges of the Jinete and accents from the Nimcha and with long live Spain on the blade. It seemed a pity not to include.

I guess the whole engraving has the misspelt inscription " VIVA EL REY DE ESPANNA" but, Zenete and Nimcha accents are hardly there ... and still i don't see this sword connected with swords a la Portuguese; far too long a shot ... perhaps a case for binoculars

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Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

This is a Portuguese sword though lightly disguised as something else;

If i recall, there never was any evidence that this sword is Portuguese

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fernando · 5th September 2017, 05:48 PM

More on the Colonial sword (Mbele a Lulendo) being continued HERE

midelburgo · 19th September 2017, 02:10 AM

We discussed on this subject at a Spanish site in 2012 (in Spanish sorry).

http://www.esgrimaantigua.com/forum/...lit=portuguesa

Regards.

fernando · 19th September 2017, 12:38 PM

Interesting link, Javier.
In fact i also have the monography by Armando Canelhas, which i confess was a little forgotten in my readings.

midelburgo · 20th September 2017, 03:18 PM

Fascinating story that of the Mbele a Lulendo. Actually I got offered one of those in 2006 and I really took it for a XVIth century Portuguese sword. I did not buy it however. I must have pictures somewhere...And a loose hilt appeared at ebay in 2012:

http://www.swordforum.com/forums/sho...7-What-is-this

I now think that the colonial Spanish swords with the lobated dish-hilt and brass applications at knucklebow and cross are from Philippines.

PS. I found the pictures from the sword I was offered in 2006 and it is the same "1697" sword discussed above.

fernando · 15th August 2018, 12:42 PM

Following "Swords a la Portuguese part two" may be found HERE

6th August 2017, 06:25 PM	#2
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	This is a Portuguese sword though lightly disguised as something else; Attached Images

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midelburgo Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 264	Fascinating story that of the Mbele a Lulendo. Actually I got offered one of those in 2006 and I really took it for a XVIth century Portuguese sword. I did not buy it however. I must have pictures somewhere...And a loose hilt appeared at ebay in 2012: http://www.swordforum.com/forums/sho...7-What-is-this I now think that the colonial Spanish swords with the lobated dish-hilt and brass applications at knucklebow and cross are from Philippines. PS. I found the pictures from the sword I was offered in 2006 and it is the same "1697" sword discussed above. Last edited by midelburgo; 20th September 2017 at 05:28 PM.

6th August 2017, 06:11 PM	#1
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Quite a late invention almost a revival sword...but with vestiges of the Jinete and accents from the Nimcha and with long live Spain on the blade. It seemed a pity not to include.

5th September 2017, 05:48 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	More on the Colonial sword (Mbele a Lulendo) being continued HERE

19th September 2017, 02:10 AM	#5
midelburgo Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 264	We discussed on this subject at a Spanish site in 2012 (in Spanish sorry). http://www.esgrimaantigua.com/forum/...lit=portuguesa Regards.

19th September 2017, 12:38 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Interesting link, Javier. In fact i also have the monography by Armando Canelhas, which i confess was a little forgotten in my readings.

15th August 2018, 12:42 PM	#8
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Following "Swords a la Portuguese part two" may be found HERE