Help to identify these unusual markings.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by CutlassCollector

Hi Ibrahiim,

Thanks for that link to my own website haha!
I think it is a boarding axe but I could be wrong as it is unusual for a humble axe to be so well marked.
Do you have any specific reason for thinking it's another type of axe?

This is where I am so far.

If Corrado is right, and I hope he is, that gives me not only a state but a date as well.

But I also have a match for a crowned M and B at Klingenthal around 1860 when they were producing weapons for private purchase and possibly other states.
Also as far as I can find on the web the markings for Fabricca Reale di Napoli generally show as FR not RF.

Any help greatly appreciated!

Regards, CC

And I have to say what a well laid out web page it is!!!!

[CutlassCollector]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

And I have to say what a well laid out web page it is!!!!

Thank you Ibrahiim!

[CutlassCollector]

Corrado,

Please may I ask your help again.
I have been looking hard and I can find examples of an R or an R and F entwined beneath a crown indicating manufacturer at Fabricca Reale di Napoli.

This is the link - http://www.klingenthal.fr/marquages_coulaux.htm - to the stamps of the Klingenthal inspectors after the loss of the government contracts - it is stated as not so accurate as the government records. There is a crowned B and a crowned M that may have been working together around 1850/1860 - the dates are not precise. The M has a three point crown similar to the one shown on the axe. I would like to discount these to be certain that the axe was made in Naples.

Does your copy of the NEUE STÖCKEL show images of the stamps for that I could use for comparison?

Regards CC.

[corrado26]

From the very unclear foto that you have shown at the beginning of this post I thought that this stamp could be the sign "FR" of the "Fabricca Reale di Napoli". But the bigger foto showed that the mark shows the letter RS or RF. This and the crown above the letters cannot be the mark od Naples factory.

corrado26

[CutlassCollector]

Hi Corrado,

Many thanks for that.

Regards, CC

[CutlassCollector]

Success!
A collector on a sister forum posted a link to this gladius type sword with identical markings.

The larger crown over the RI indicates Regno d'Italia/ Royaume d'Italie. This indicates the Kingdom of Italy which was set up by Napoleon who made himself the king. It only existed as a state from 1805 to 1814. So it dates the axe nicely.


Less definite:
The axe was probably made by the armourer Paolo Landi which was a private company manufacturing arms for the state, in Brescia (which still has an arms industry today - including Berretta), east of Milan.
The inspector's marks of the M and B under a crown are associated with this firm at this time.
During this period they made weapons to the French pattern and there are examples of cavalry sabres, infantry briquettes and even sapper axes that are almost identical to those made in France.

According to Wiki roughly 200,000 troops from the Kingdom of Italy fought in Napoleon’s army during that decade.

So a French axe made in Italy or an Italian axe - this remains to be decided.
Considering the above manufacture of French type swords, it would tend to indicate the former, but on the other hand the anchor of the French naval acceptance is well known and the grapnel type shown on this axe is very different from that.

Regards, CC

[corrado26]

Thanks a lot, very interesting !
corrado26