Two Indian Knives for interest and/or comment

Jens Nordlunde · 25th June 2017, 09:45 PM

Eric, did you see the peacocks??
Seldom something is written about the decoration, when it is hard to see what is shown, but not many seem to be interested in the 'hidden messages'.
I have often been wondering why?
Jens

Miguel · 26th June 2017, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Eric, did you see the peacocks??
Seldom something is written about the decoration, when it is hard to see what is shown, but not many seem to be interested in the 'hidden messages'.
I have often been wondering why?
Jens

Hello Jens, I think you may have answered your own question.
Miguel

estcrh · 28th June 2017, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Eric, did you see the peacocks??
Seldom something is written about the decoration, when it is hard to see what is shown, but not many seem to be interested in the 'hidden messages'.
I have often been wondering why?
Jens

Jens, you have a trained eye from many years of looking at good examples. Ever since I read what you have had to say about unseen (to most people) images I have been looking closer but often I can not see what is there until someone points it out.

Jens Nordlunde · 28th June 2017, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by estcrh

Jens, you have a trained eye from many years of looking at good examples. Ever since I read what you have had to say about unseen (to most people) images I have been looking closer but often I can not see what is there until someone points it out.

Dont worry. It takes quite some time, and a lot of studying - but in the end...

Silver John · 29th June 2017, 02:39 PM

Hello Jens,

I'd like to ask, do you see the peacocks in the gilt sections, or in the negative of the bare steel? Or both?

I was recently looking at peacock imagery on some kukris, so perhaps I'm just seeing them everywhere, but I can see two small ones in the gilt and two large peacocks in the negative.

Are there any threads, or reference materials on the Peacock imagery? I'd like to learn more on the topic.

Regards

Jens Nordlunde · 29th June 2017, 03:16 PM

Hmm, I only see two peacocks, shown in the gold decoration.
They are easier to see on the katar attached.
Have a look at the katar and the dagger. Do you see why I think the dagger originally was a katar?
Btw on the katar you can see four peacocks, two on the blade and two on the hand guard.

Silver John · 29th June 2017, 03:46 PM

Unbelievably I didn't spot those peacocks!

I'll have to see if my very basic photoshop skills will allow me to point out what I see. Though I strongly suspect what I am seeing will be more like a case of faces in the clouds.

Jens Nordlunde · 29th June 2017, 04:59 PM

Like Eric writes in post 33. He has never seen this kind of dagger with a wootz blade. Neither have I as I can remember.
This is an old minupilated kater blade, likely done end of 18th century or early 19th century.

29th June 2017, 03:16 PM	#6
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hmm, I only see two peacocks, shown in the gold decoration. They are easier to see on the katar attached. Have a look at the katar and the dagger. Do you see why I think the dagger originally was a katar? Btw on the katar you can see four peacocks, two on the blade and two on the hand guard. Attached Images Last edited by Jens Nordlunde; 29th June 2017 at 03:37 PM.

25th June 2017, 09:45 PM	#1
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Eric, did you see the peacocks?? Seldom something is written about the decoration, when it is hard to see what is shown, but not many seem to be interested in the 'hidden messages'. I have often been wondering why? Jens

29th June 2017, 02:39 PM	#5
Silver John Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 31	Hello Jens, I'd like to ask, do you see the peacocks in the gilt sections, or in the negative of the bare steel? Or both? I was recently looking at peacock imagery on some kukris, so perhaps I'm just seeing them everywhere, but I can see two small ones in the gilt and two large peacocks in the negative. Are there any threads, or reference materials on the Peacock imagery? I'd like to learn more on the topic. Regards

29th June 2017, 03:46 PM	#7
Silver John Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 31	Unbelievably I didn't spot those peacocks! I'll have to see if my very basic photoshop skills will allow me to point out what I see. Though I strongly suspect what I am seeing will be more like a case of faces in the clouds.

29th June 2017, 04:59 PM	#8
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Like Eric writes in post 33. He has never seen this kind of dagger with a wootz blade. Neither have I as I can remember. This is an old minupilated kater blade, likely done end of 18th century or early 19th century.