Islamic Text Found in a swordhandle

Raja Muda · 9th March 2006, 10:05 AM

Hi Dajak,

Thanks for the enlarged pictures of the tangkal azimat. I believe it contains snatches from Quranic verses. But what I find most interesting is the second piece from the top, as the inscription below the two stars are the names of the Seven Sleepers, whom I believe figures in the Quranic chapter Surah Al-Kahfi, as well as Byzantinian Christian traditions.

As the story goes, they were a group of young men who were persecuted for their early Christian? beliefs and escaped to a cave. They fell asleep and awoke a few hundred years later, though they thought they've just spent a night in the cave. One of the members went to the nearest town to purchase food and amazed the locals since the money he carried was stamped with the face of a long dead monarch, who persecuted the monotheist believers a few hundred years ago.

I'm not sure what the magical/spiritual significance the story holds for the sword. Maybe someone can make the connections.

Dajak · 9th March 2006, 11:39 AM

Hi Raja Muda

Thanks for this interesting information

I have a Dutch Translation with it but not al is translated

and there must be 2 persons have made this Talis man

I am looking for the meaning for the not arabic writing on it

It is translated qur ang parts from J.H. Kramers De Koran Amsterdam 1956

I like to know what is between the stars

Here a some they can t trans late

Dajak · 9th March 2006, 11:43 AM

There are also 3 dates on the silver bands 1690

1739

1752

Dajak · 10th March 2006, 01:12 PM

Hi Raj Muda kan you read those strange words

Dajak · 12th March 2006, 07:09 PM

I found out that this Pedeuang did belong to a panglima

Does anyone knows where pics from Atjeh 1650 can be found

RhysMichael · 12th March 2006, 08:29 PM

I do not have any from that early. If you have any contacts there your best bet might be the Museum of Ethnography in Leiden, the Netherlands, now “RMV Leiden”. I am sure they have paintings/ drawings from that time period. Actual pictures of course would not be available ( The first known successful picture was produced in June/July 1827 by Niépce, using material that hardened on exposure to light. This picture required an exposure of eight hours. Though there is rumor of experiments with it as far back as da Vinci) Also any information you can share on the provenance of this sword would be helpful. I knew peudeueng went back as far as the 17th century but I thought the hulu meu apet was a later form. It seems now this form of the sword may be older than I thought.

Thanks

Dajak · 13th March 2006, 06:44 AM

Hi with all the papers I did get there is some information that this sword date back to 1650

there are a few date s on the back off the silver one off them is 1690

Let me know if you need a better pic for your web site

RhysMichael · 20th March 2006, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

I found out that this Pedeuang did belong to a panglima

Does anyone knows where pics from Atjeh 1650 can be found

Not Aceh pictures but in trying to find earlier information on this sword I did find more battle flags

Battle flags used by Acehnese troops, seized by the Dutch in 1540 in battle at Barus (Tapanuli, North Sumatra) which at that time was under the authority of Aceh. The flag contains a pcture of Zulfakar (the woard of syidina Ali) and a prayer to arouse the fighting spirit. Size : 130 x 270 cm (top)

They support your information about this sword being an older form

Dajak · 21st March 2006, 08:26 AM

Hi that is a nice flag let me know if you find more.

9th March 2006, 10:05 AM	#1
Raja Muda Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 100	Contents of Azimat Hi Dajak, Thanks for the enlarged pictures of the tangkal azimat. I believe it contains snatches from Quranic verses. But what I find most interesting is the second piece from the top, as the inscription below the two stars are the names of the Seven Sleepers, whom I believe figures in the Quranic chapter Surah Al-Kahfi, as well as Byzantinian Christian traditions. As the story goes, they were a group of young men who were persecuted for their early Christian? beliefs and escaped to a cave. They fell asleep and awoke a few hundred years later, though they thought they've just spent a night in the cave. One of the members went to the nearest town to purchase food and amazed the locals since the money he carried was stamped with the face of a long dead monarch, who persecuted the monotheist believers a few hundred years ago. I'm not sure what the magical/spiritual significance the story holds for the sword. Maybe someone can make the connections.

9th March 2006, 11:39 AM	#2
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Raja Muda Thanks for this interesting information I have a Dutch Translation with it but not al is translated and there must be 2 persons have made this Talis man I am looking for the meaning for the not arabic writing on it It is translated qur ang parts from J.H. Kramers De Koran Amsterdam 1956 I like to know what is between the stars Here a some they can t trans late Last edited by Dajak; 9th March 2006 at 11:57 AM.

9th March 2006, 11:43 AM	#3
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	There are also 3 dates on the silver bands 1690 1739 1752 Attached Images

12th March 2006, 08:29 PM	#6
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	I do not have any from that early. If you have any contacts there your best bet might be the Museum of Ethnography in Leiden, the Netherlands, now “RMV Leiden”. I am sure they have paintings/ drawings from that time period. Actual pictures of course would not be available ( The first known successful picture was produced in June/July 1827 by Niépce, using material that hardened on exposure to light. This picture required an exposure of eight hours. Though there is rumor of experiments with it as far back as da Vinci) Also any information you can share on the provenance of this sword would be helpful. I knew peudeueng went back as far as the 17th century but I thought the hulu meu apet was a later form. It seems now this form of the sword may be older than I thought. Thanks Last edited by RhysMichael; 12th March 2006 at 10:05 PM.

10th March 2006, 01:12 PM	#4
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Raj Muda kan you read those strange words

12th March 2006, 07:09 PM	#5
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	I found out that this Pedeuang did belong to a panglima Does anyone knows where pics from Atjeh 1650 can be found

13th March 2006, 06:44 AM	#7
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi with all the papers I did get there is some information that this sword date back to 1650 there are a few date s on the back off the silver one off them is 1690 Let me know if you need a better pic for your web site

21st March 2006, 08:26 AM	#9
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi that is a nice flag let me know if you find more.