OT: Origin of Weaving

cylord21 · 16th January 2005, 03:16 AM

Found a match on one of the motif with the following description:
" Elaborate Persian (Hamadan) wool rug, with two borders in cream and green framing a central red ground with medallions; mulitcolored stylized flowers all over ".
Hope it is of help

Montino Bourbon · 16th January 2005, 08:00 AM

That particular motif, resembling an eight- or four-pointed or petaled flower, is found all over the world, on many objects from weavings to weapons and jewelry, and even in sand paintings. It goes by many names, including 'the four directions' and is a basic shamanic symbol. Each direction can also stand for a particular state of conciousness or one of a number of steps on a spiritual path. The symbolism is extensive, and occupies whole chapters in various ethnographic books. Because of its geometric and archetypal character, it's very easy to generate from a loom; but it's so old that it's even found in petroglyphs.

Jim McDougall · 17th January 2005, 04:19 AM

I think Jens brings up an extremely important note, all forms of iconography and material culture may carry key symbols and markings that could apply to those found on weapons. I have found the answers to some blade markings on coins and it is known that Berber textiles and jewelry often have similar motif as found on thier weapons.
I'm really looking forward to finding out what this is!!
Best regards,
Jim

M.carter · 21st January 2005, 08:44 AM

Hello Rick,

What you have here is bedouin weaving, Sadu. This was used in making tents, saddles, pillows and many other stuff. Just Google image search 'Sadu Weaving'.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 3rd December 2011, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by M.carter

Hello Rick,

What you have here is bedouin weaving, Sadu. This was used in making tents, saddles, pillows and many other stuff. Just Google image search 'Sadu Weaving'.

Salaams M.carter~ This is such an interesting topic effecting ethnographics all across the spectrum. I noticed in glancing through the reference that Dr Keireine Canavan had visited Oman but didn't pick up on an important detail~ That the weavers of Oman had almost lost their art form since nothing had been written down and with the advancing 21 st century the modern world was taking its toll on traditional artesans etc.. What happened was remarkable and down to one woman..A european lady called Gigi Crocker Jones who virtually single handedly took the Omani weaving situation by the scruff of the neck and rejuvenated the entire cottage industry ... She produced a brilliant book in arabic and english and saved the art from almost certain extinction.

On another note it sometimes surprises readers that geometric patterns crop up on Navajo Indian weaving seemingly similar to those off the silk road ~ in the early 20th C an enterprising individual transported samples of oriental weavings and rugs to the Navajo which were copied into their style to become whats known as Navajo Orientalist style.

Regards Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

A. G. Maisey · 4th December 2011, 08:28 PM

A surprising and very fitting post Rick.

In the societies of Maritime South East Asia, weaving is the female cultural balance to the weaponry and carving of the male side of society.

Place the two together and you have a culturally balanced presence.

Thank you for showing this.

Rick · 4th December 2011, 08:35 PM

Surprised me too mate .

A good subject to resurrect I guess .

Seems Ibrahiim has been rummaging through the basement .

16th January 2005, 03:16 AM	#1
cylord21 Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Caracas - Venezuela Posts: 15	A possible motif match Found a match on one of the motif with the following description: " Elaborate Persian (Hamadan) wool rug, with two borders in cream and green framing a central red ground with medallions; mulitcolored stylized flowers all over ". Hope it is of help Attached Images

4th December 2011, 08:35 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	'05 Surprised me too mate . A good subject to resurrect I guess . Seems Ibrahiim has been rummaging through the basement .

16th January 2005, 08:00 AM	#2
Montino Bourbon Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Santa Barbara, California Posts: 301	That particular motif, resembling an eight- or four-pointed or petaled flower, is found all over the world, on many objects from weavings to weapons and jewelry, and even in sand paintings. It goes by many names, including 'the four directions' and is a basic shamanic symbol. Each direction can also stand for a particular state of conciousness or one of a number of steps on a spiritual path. The symbolism is extensive, and occupies whole chapters in various ethnographic books. Because of its geometric and archetypal character, it's very easy to generate from a loom; but it's so old that it's even found in petroglyphs.

17th January 2005, 04:19 AM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,190	I think Jens brings up an extremely important note, all forms of iconography and material culture may carry key symbols and markings that could apply to those found on weapons. I have found the answers to some blade markings on coins and it is known that Berber textiles and jewelry often have similar motif as found on thier weapons. I'm really looking forward to finding out what this is!! Best regards, Jim

21st January 2005, 08:44 AM	#4
M.carter Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 176	Hello Rick, What you have here is bedouin weaving, Sadu. This was used in making tents, saddles, pillows and many other stuff. Just Google image search 'Sadu Weaving'.

4th December 2011, 08:28 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,990	A surprising and very fitting post Rick. In the societies of Maritime South East Asia, weaving is the female cultural balance to the weaponry and carving of the male side of society. Place the two together and you have a culturally balanced presence. Thank you for showing this.