Comments will be appreciated, Berger collection

Marcus · 3rd May 2017, 07:47 PM

Very nice.
The auction was sponsored by San Giorgia, who also sell a book " Il Costello Genovese" that was mentioned in this thread.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=Coltello

I have a copy on order We have Italian Post-Doc in the lab who should be able to help me with the text.

fernando · 4th May 2017, 11:20 AM

I should be nice to learn how to distinguish Ligurian (Genovese) knives from those of the South. Interesting to note that Sardinia, where the Genovese type seems to have reached (per corrado), is so Meridional as Southern Italy mainland. Actually another Italian auctioner also from the North (Czerny's), from where my example (indirectly) came, treats these types as Southern, while other sources calls them Meridian, a similar regional attribution. A pity that in "Armi Bianche dal Mediebo all'Eta Moderna" (post #17 of Marcus quoted thread) both Marcus item #2 as well as my example are not shown in their true shape... at least to my eyes

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BTW
Spanish (Albacete) knives, those that so many people out there confuses with plug bayonets, are different animals, of course.

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fernando · 4th May 2017, 01:01 PM

Another example

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Norman McCormick · 4th May 2017, 06:16 PM

Hi,
This knife of mine is from the very end of the 18thC, European manufacture for the South American market. The similarities with E on Fernando's chart, the Spanish knife, are easy to see. This form appears to have had a relatively long life span.
Regards,
Norman.

corrado26 · 5th May 2017, 12:11 PM

The Czerny designation is absolutely correct for this type of knife/dagger, but the dagger shown differs widely from the daggers of Genua origin in my post!
corrado26

fernando · 5th May 2017, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corrado26

The Czerny designation is absolutely correct for this type of knife/dagger, but the dagger shown differs widely from the daggers of Genua origin in my post!
corrado26

However corrado, the point in question is that, this is the same type as that of Marcus item 2, as pointed out in my post #5

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corrado26 · 5th May 2017, 02:52 PM

Sorry Fernando, but the dagger in post #5 is in my opinion coming from the coast of Liguria.
The Czerny dagger has a totally other blade and resembles more the later Spanish knifes of Albacete. As I wrote before, such daggers were to be found on the isles of Sardinia and Korsika and partly in south eastern Spain too.
But perhaps I am totally wrong and always perpared to learn new things.
corrado26

4th May 2017, 01:01 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Another example - Attached Images

4th May 2017, 06:16 PM	#4
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,613	Hi, This knife of mine is from the very end of the 18thC, European manufacture for the South American market. The similarities with E on Fernando's chart, the Spanish knife, are easy to see. This form appears to have had a relatively long life span. Regards, Norman. Attached Images

3rd May 2017, 07:47 PM	#1
Marcus Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 420	Very nice. The auction was sponsored by San Giorgia, who also sell a book " Il Costello Genovese" that was mentioned in this thread. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=Coltello I have a copy on order We have Italian Post-Doc in the lab who should be able to help me with the text.

4th May 2017, 11:20 AM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I should be nice to learn how to distinguish Ligurian (Genovese) knives from those of the South. Interesting to note that Sardinia, where the Genovese type seems to have reached (per corrado), is so Meridional as Southern Italy mainland. Actually another Italian auctioner also from the North (Czerny's), from where my example (indirectly) came, treats these types as Southern, while other sources calls them Meridian, a similar regional attribution. A pity that in "Armi Bianche dal Mediebo all'Eta Moderna" (post #17 of Marcus quoted thread) both Marcus item #2 as well as my example are not shown in their true shape... at least to my eyes . BTW Spanish (Albacete) knives, those that so many people out there confuses with plug bayonets, are different animals, of course. . Attached Images

5th May 2017, 12:11 PM	#5
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	The Czerny designation is absolutely correct for this type of knife/dagger, but the dagger shown differs widely from the daggers of Genua origin in my post! corrado26

5th May 2017, 02:52 PM	#7
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	Sorry Fernando, but the dagger in post #5 is in my opinion coming from the coast of Liguria. The Czerny dagger has a totally other blade and resembles more the later Spanish knifes of Albacete. As I wrote before, such daggers were to be found on the isles of Sardinia and Korsika and partly in south eastern Spain too. But perhaps I am totally wrong and always perpared to learn new things. corrado26