for discussion - ancient Sepang ?

[David]

So, just a thought here, not an accusation.
Is it wise for us as experienced collectors to pinpoint exactly what gives away a fake so that the forgers can learn from their mistakes and then create better fakes that are harder to judge?
I agree with Alan here. Please don't ask me why.

[Rick]

Originally Posted by David

So, just a thought here, not an accusation.
Is it wise for us as experienced collectors to pinpoint exactly what gives away a fake so that the forgers can learn from their mistakes and then create better fakes that are harder to judge?
I agree with Alan here. Please don't ask me why.

I quite agree with David's thoughts on this matter.
The Warung is not the only sub forum here that has to deal with this ever present possibility.

Let us not be a place for forgers to mine.

[satsujinken]

Originally Posted by Rick

I quite agree with David's thoughts on this matter.
The Warung is not the only sub forum here that has to deal with this ever present possibility.

Let us not be a place for forgers to mine.

how do we advanced on knowledge if we always put prejudice forward instead of goodwill ? the expert won't share their knowledge, on fear that it may be used negatively and the newbies are only getting hints too difficult to cipher ?

just my 2 cents

Donny

[Rick]

Originally Posted by satsujinken

how do we advanced on knowledge if we always put prejudice forward instead of goodwill ? the expert won't share their knowledge, on fear that it may be used negatively and the newbies are only getting hints too difficult to cipher ?

just my 2 cents

Donny

I'm not advancing prejudice, Donny.
Far from it.
How are we supposed to accurately judge the authenticity of these pieces you put up from a handful of pixels on a screen?

[satsujinken]

Originally Posted by Rick

I'm not advancing prejudice, Donny.
Far from it.
How are we supposed to accurately judge the authenticity of these pieces you put up from a handful of pixels on a screen?

true, that's why I wanted to hear your opinion.

why ? because Indonesian keris forum is too full with mystics and spiritual mumbo jumbo

Donny

[satsujinken]

Originally Posted by David

So, just a thought here, not an accusation.
Is it wise for us as experienced collectors to pinpoint exactly what gives away a fake so that the forgers can learn from their mistakes and then create better fakes that are harder to judge?
I agree with Alan here. Please don't ask me why.

I believed true keris old keris is impossible to duplicate. It may look the same, but won't feel the same. There are leads, clues that we can use to distinguish them. The problem is artificial aging is easy to be done, and forgers here are very good with what they do. To learn the true knowledge of distinguishing true old blade with new artificially aged ones are important at least for me.

that is exactly why I wanted to share some interesting findings amidst bunch of "ordinary keris" I commonly see in markets here.

We all have to admit that this hobby, or passion need new blood. And it is our duty to nurture those new blood so they wont spend their hard earned money on something fake, or artificially aged.

dunno with you all, but I always kept my mind on the positive

For example, I perfectly knew, that a Jalak Budho is a very rare keris, and yet it popped so many times now. So I treat everything with a pinch of salt and asked for someone far more experienced than me with hope that his opinion may shed new light for me as well as leaving a legacy for all to read and tread carefully.

thanks

Donny