AMERICAN INDIAN WAR CLUB FOR COMMENT

Jim McDougall · 21st April 2017, 11:24 PM

One thing I would add, while this seems modern of course, it seems that as we traveled through North Carolina Indian reservations, Cherokee; Oklahoma reservations, Cherokee; Montana and South Dakota, Wounded Knee, Little Big Horn, Utah and I cannot even recall many others offhand, the gift shops sold clubs of this kind.
I wish I could recall more of what these were like, however it does seem they might have been made using sinew. I paid no special notice at the time.

However, I was told on several occasions that objects sold as Native American, had to have been made by those only of such heritage, and that was legally regulated. Again, I cannot recall more detail, it was years ago.
It was in that thinking that I observed that this item was probably made by someone of this ethnicity. That was what I meant by even though modern, made in the traditions of these tribes.

Perhaps we might have some clarification on this?

Jim McDougall · 21st April 2017, 11:31 PM

David, we crossed posts, and excellent entries with those ball headed clubs.
I came across these as well in my research, and I became so engulfed in these subjects I spent the better part of several nights and piles of index cards and notes putting data together.

As I noted, I just remembered instances encountered in our travels through Indian reservations, and wish I had been more attentive. I am wondering if these legalities are actually observed, and if that might have bearing on Rajesh's example.

Thank you for adding these ball clubs (which were pretty scary, as one source said they were basically 'jaw breakers' used in upward strike).
I think it would be great to expand our knowledge base on these Native American weapons here, and particularly as a kind of memento toward Barry. I wish he were here to add to this.

All best regards
Jim

David · 22nd April 2017, 04:14 AM

If Barry were still with us i am sure he would have some awesome information to add to this mix.

21st April 2017, 11:24 PM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,584	One thing I would add, while this seems modern of course, it seems that as we traveled through North Carolina Indian reservations, Cherokee; Oklahoma reservations, Cherokee; Montana and South Dakota, Wounded Knee, Little Big Horn, Utah and I cannot even recall many others offhand, the gift shops sold clubs of this kind. I wish I could recall more of what these were like, however it does seem they might have been made using sinew. I paid no special notice at the time. However, I was told on several occasions that objects sold as Native American, had to have been made by those only of such heritage, and that was legally regulated. Again, I cannot recall more detail, it was years ago. It was in that thinking that I observed that this item was probably made by someone of this ethnicity. That was what I meant by even though modern, made in the traditions of these tribes. Perhaps we might have some clarification on this?

21st April 2017, 11:31 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,584	David, we crossed posts, and excellent entries with those ball headed clubs. I came across these as well in my research, and I became so engulfed in these subjects I spent the better part of several nights and piles of index cards and notes putting data together. As I noted, I just remembered instances encountered in our travels through Indian reservations, and wish I had been more attentive. I am wondering if these legalities are actually observed, and if that might have bearing on Rajesh's example. Thank you for adding these ball clubs (which were pretty scary, as one source said they were basically 'jaw breakers' used in upward strike). I think it would be great to expand our knowledge base on these Native American weapons here, and particularly as a kind of memento toward Barry. I wish he were here to add to this. All best regards Jim

22nd April 2017, 04:14 AM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,237	If Barry were still with us i am sure he would have some awesome information to add to this mix.