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Hi Jose:
Your question raises a few important points, and I want to take a little space to discuss Ilocano knives and their description by that ethnic group, and also make a few comments about Pampangan knives. First, why are the knives that are shown here Ilocano? In a very helpful post on this site in 2010, migueldiaz provided some key information and an important reference about Ilocano knives (see here). In that thread he posted the following pictures and descriptions of Ilocano knives (the examples were modern made knives but come from a long tradition of similar knives). Apparently, the Ilocano nomenclature he provides was based largely on the hilt style, and he provides the names for a dozen different styles. Here are the Ilocano terms for those styles: kinakandon: a blade which form was inspired by the palay (rice plant) leaf => am still getting a photo of this blade [Comment: this blade style is called dahong palay and is discussed elsewhere on this site along with pictures of examples with this blade style--see here, here, and here]And here is his picture illustrating some of these types of knives: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attach...id=60025&stc=1 If you look at the examples of tabak knives shown here, you will see that each has a hilt that fits with the descriptions provided by migueldiaz. Of particular interest is the first example I showed in the original post of this thread. It would be called a sinan-kapitan, and as far as I know this particular depiction of an officer wearing a cap is uniquely Ilocano. The second example I showed would be called a sinan-sabong. Your example, shown in the thread that you linked, shows a spirally wired hilt, and might be what migueldiaz describes as a linipit. This collective evidence argues, I think persuasively, that the tabak knife is mainly an Ilocano weapon/tool. Whether it is also produced by Pampangans is not clear, and we actually know very little about the knives of Pampangas. Apart from the knives marked as coming from Apalit, I have found relatively little information about the knives of Pampangas. To some extent the identification of knives specific to the Pampangans has been complicated by the presence of the U.S. Clark AFB in the Province. In threads elsewhere on this site, we have seen that Ilocano knives were marketed extensively to U.S. servicemen from the mid-1940s until the base closed in 1991 following the eruption of Mt. Pinatubo. The base was only three miles from the city of Angeles that sits on the main north-south highway in Central Luzon. It is only 30 miles along this highway from Angeles to the Province of Pangasinan, which has a large population of Ilocanos. It would be a short trip to bring knives from Pangasinan to Angeles for sale to the Americanos. It is also possible that Ilocanos took up residence in Angeles and made knives there. This raises an important consideration in how we reference knives like these. Do we attribute them to the culture of origin or the place where they were acquired? If we choose the culture of origin, then the tabak appears to be an Ilocano weapon/tool. If we reference these to where they were likely purchased or otherwise acquired, then they could be considered Pampangan. Hope this is helpful. Ian. ----------------Attachment---------------- Here is the picture from the thread of migueldiaz showing various Ilocano knives and their distinguishing hilt shapes. . Last edited by Ian; 9th April 2017 at 12:00 AM. Reason: Added pic and some more comments, links |
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I was at a gun show here in Minnesota a couple of weeks ago and came across another example of this sword form. This one has a horn grip with brass ferrules, and the blade has the usual "Negrito katana" shape. The photograph shows the "as found" state of this one, with a heavily patinated blade. I would say probably mid-20th C. Could be Ilocano or Pampangan in manufacture--the hilt on this one looks more Tagalog than Ilocano in style.
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