Massai ceremonial initiation spear for comment

RomaRana · 3rd March 2006, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katana

Thankyou for all your replies. I wasn't convinced that the spear was Masai, due to the spear blade's shape. I had tried to research the Masai initiation ceremonies but could find no reference to boys using such ceremonial spears.

The only maasai initiation weapon maasai boys get is a "love" bow and arrow. For a short period of time the newly circumsised males must dress differently and live away from the community (also, not in the manyatta). They are given small bows and soft tiped arrows to shoot girls they want to have relations with.

VANDOO · 3rd March 2006, 04:26 PM

THE YOUNG MASAI DO DRESS IN A SPECIAL GARB AND OFTEN COVER THEMSELVES IN ASH OR SOMETHING WHICH MAKES THEM APPEAR WHITISH. THE ONES I HAVE SEEN HAD STICK SPEARS AND SHIELDS. I HAVE ONE OF THE SHIELDS AND DID NOT SEE ANY GROWN MASAI WITH SHIELDS SO I SUSPECT THEY ONLY HAVE A CEREMONIAL FUNCTION IN THEIR SOCIETY THESE DAYS. I DIDN'T SEE A BOW PERHAPS THEY ARE ONLY USED AND CARRIED AT CERTIAN TIMES AND PLACES. I'M JUST GUESSING AS I HAVE NEVER RESEARCHED THE MASAI, JUST READ A BIT HERE AND THERE AND HAVE SEEN THEM IN TANZINIA.

Freddy · 3rd March 2006, 05:40 PM

Luc, according to the book 'African Arms and Armour' by Christopher Spring, there are more types of Maasai spear.

This is what he writes in his book :

The graded system of Maasai society is reflected by the four distinct types of spear commonly used by them. The uncircumcised boys usually carry a javelin-like spear, esururu, made out of one piece of rounded iron, sometimes with a leather hand grip bound around the centre. The head is sometimes hammered into an oval shape but often left straight. The butt is usually of square section.

A couple of years ago, I happened to stumble onto such a spear. Here are some pics :

This is not some kind of ceremonial item. It has a real good balance and is fairly heavy (all iron). I think it would do quite some damage when thrown at something or someone.

The total length is approx 1m80 (72 inches)

Titus Pullo · 4th March 2006, 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy

Luc, according to the book 'African Arms and Armour' by Christopher Spring, there are more types of Maasai spear.

This is what he writes in his book :

The graded system of Maasai society is reflected by the four distinct types of spear commonly used by them. The uncircumcised boys usually carry a javelin-like spear, esururu, made out of one piece of rounded iron, sometimes with a leather hand grip bound around the centre. The head is sometimes hammered into an oval shape but often left straight. The butt is usually of square section.

A couple of years ago, I happened to stumble onto such a spear. Here are some pics :

This is not some kind of ceremonial item. It has a real good balance and is fairly heavy (all iron). I think it would do quite some damage when thrown at something or someone.

The total length is approx 1m80 (72 inches)

I heard they used to hunt lions with their spears. It takes a lot of injuries to kill a big ferocious animals like that. I heard somebody was attacked by a sick lion, that couldn't hunt the normal preys, and at first, he stabbed it a couple times with his knife, and it still was trying to kill him by closing it's jaws around his head trying to puncture his skull with the big canines, so he keep stabbing it until it finally let go and took off.

katana · 26th March 2007, 01:22 PM

This recently finished on eBay, similar to the spear that started this thread, but not as well made/forged. The seller stated it was described as 100% Zulu when bought from a reputable auction house

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...0440&rd=1&rd=1

I think it was mis-described, has anyone any thoughts or comments?

Regards David

Tim Simmons · 26th March 2007, 06:54 PM

Again I think this is most likely Ngoni. I got this little Ngoni? Shona? dance spear recently. I think is very pretty. I think the owner did too, as it has been repaired. The halft is only 13mm diameter so it may have easily been broken in vigorous dance. The edges are not sharp. I have examined the repair with my jewellers loop and I am feeling happy to tell myself it is genuine native work with gum and wire. There was a label 1862 on it but that is a bit like believing what you read in the newspapers. I have cleaned the spear and the flash is on. Total length 80cm.

katana · 26th March 2007, 07:55 PM

Hi Tim,
the binding (wire?) on your spear is very similar to the bindings found on a number of Zulu spears.

katana · 3rd March 2006, 05:47 PM

I have searched on the internet and discovered this picture and discription in a Anthropology Collections website.

AFRICAN ETHNOGRAPHIC COLLECTION Culture: MASAI(MASSAI), WAHUMBA? Locale: WAHUMBA? Country: KENYA Material: WOOD,METAL(IRON),LEATHER Dimensions: L:170.2 W:5.7 [in CM] Donor: SCHIFF Acquisition Year: 1898

Spear (1/5533)

Notice the spearhead shape, the central rib, and the date of acquisition 1898, Perhaps around this time this design spearhead / spear were more common?

Tim Simmons · 3rd March 2006, 07:00 PM

Freddy what a nice spear rather like the Tuareg all metal spear.

Saying a people used just one or two types of spear is a trifle bombastic. This is often said about the Zulu. Spears vary in function and a spear blade unless very distinctive, is a rather mature design making attribution just on an ordinary shape without provenance or documented evidence a little tricky. A book reviewing pan African spear types would be a great publication also a Herculean task and most probably rather expensive.

Picture Hutchinson & co London 1918. Okay the caption says Kikuyu but culturally not dissimilar to the Massai who I believe used the same initiation shields symbolising emergence. Just thought the picture was relevent to the thread. Tim

26th March 2007, 06:54 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,875	Again I think this is most likely Ngoni. I got this little Ngoni? Shona? dance spear recently. I think is very pretty. I think the owner did too, as it has been repaired. The halft is only 13mm diameter so it may have easily been broken in vigorous dance. The edges are not sharp. I have examined the repair with my jewellers loop and I am feeling happy to tell myself it is genuine native work with gum and wire. There was a label 1862 on it but that is a bit like believing what you read in the newspapers. I have cleaned the spear and the flash is on. Total length 80cm. Attached Images

3rd March 2006, 05:47 PM	#8
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	I have searched on the internet and discovered this picture and discription in a Anthropology Collections website. AFRICAN ETHNOGRAPHIC COLLECTION Culture: MASAI(MASSAI), WAHUMBA? Locale: WAHUMBA? Country: KENYA Material: WOOD,METAL(IRON),LEATHER Dimensions: L:170.2 W:5.7 [in CM] Donor: SCHIFF Acquisition Year: 1898 Spear (1/5533) Notice the spearhead shape, the central rib, and the date of acquisition 1898, Perhaps around this time this design spearhead / spear were more common? Attached Images

3rd March 2006, 07:00 PM	#9
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,875	Freddy what a nice spear rather like the Tuareg all metal spear. Saying a people used just one or two types of spear is a trifle bombastic. This is often said about the Zulu. Spears vary in function and a spear blade unless very distinctive, is a rather mature design making attribution just on an ordinary shape without provenance or documented evidence a little tricky. A book reviewing pan African spear types would be a great publication also a Herculean task and most probably rather expensive. Picture Hutchinson & co London 1918. Okay the caption says Kikuyu but culturally not dissimilar to the Massai who I believe used the same initiation shields symbolising emergence. Just thought the picture was relevent to the thread. Tim Last edited by Tim Simmons; 3rd March 2006 at 07:39 PM.

3rd March 2006, 04:26 PM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE YOUNG MASAI DO DRESS IN A SPECIAL GARB AND OFTEN COVER THEMSELVES IN ASH OR SOMETHING WHICH MAKES THEM APPEAR WHITISH. THE ONES I HAVE SEEN HAD STICK SPEARS AND SHIELDS. I HAVE ONE OF THE SHIELDS AND DID NOT SEE ANY GROWN MASAI WITH SHIELDS SO I SUSPECT THEY ONLY HAVE A CEREMONIAL FUNCTION IN THEIR SOCIETY THESE DAYS. I DIDN'T SEE A BOW PERHAPS THEY ARE ONLY USED AND CARRIED AT CERTIAN TIMES AND PLACES. I'M JUST GUESSING AS I HAVE NEVER RESEARCHED THE MASAI, JUST READ A BIT HERE AND THERE AND HAVE SEEN THEM IN TANZINIA.

3rd March 2006, 05:40 PM	#3
Freddy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sint-Amandsberg (near Ghent, Belgium) Posts: 830	Luc, according to the book 'African Arms and Armour' by Christopher Spring, there are more types of Maasai spear. This is what he writes in his book : The graded system of Maasai society is reflected by the four distinct types of spear commonly used by them. The uncircumcised boys usually carry a javelin-like spear, esururu, made out of one piece of rounded iron, sometimes with a leather hand grip bound around the centre. The head is sometimes hammered into an oval shape but often left straight. The butt is usually of square section. A couple of years ago, I happened to stumble onto such a spear. Here are some pics : This is not some kind of ceremonial item. It has a real good balance and is fairly heavy (all iron). I think it would do quite some damage when thrown at something or someone. The total length is approx 1m80 (72 inches)

26th March 2007, 01:22 PM	#5
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	This recently finished on eBay, similar to the spear that started this thread, but not as well made/forged. The seller stated it was described as 100% Zulu when bought from a reputable auction house http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...0440&rd=1&rd=1 I think it was mis-described, has anyone any thoughts or comments? Regards David

26th March 2007, 07:55 PM	#7
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi Tim, the binding (wire?) on your spear is very similar to the bindings found on a number of Zulu spears.