It's in a book.

[David]

Originally Posted by Kubur

If I may, your club or truncheon looks similar but it's not the club depicted in the book. The one is the book has one simple circular section, yours has one circular then an octogonal section plus some bone inlays and a pommel ring...

I don't believe Tim was trying to say that he found the same exact club in a book, only that he found the same form of club which for some might recognize it as a legitimate form. despite the small difference you note i would say Tim's club is obvious of the same type as the one he found in the book.

[fireiceviper]

the book could be wrong... there are historic accounts of people selling other items (mostly stirrers i believe) as war clubs. I believe it was Oldman who warned about this in one of his letters...

[Tim Simmons]

I'm just an old ---- stirrer.

[fireiceviper]

or.... maybe a scepter!

[fireiceviper]

Found it in more books, i believe the one on the right in the picture with 3 clubs is made fore tourists, the other picture with 3 clubs the one in the left looks a lot better.

[Helleri]

Originally Posted by fireiceviper

or.... maybe a scepter!

It's interesting that you say scepter. Scepters or something scepter like have long been used in cultures all over the world as symbols of power. A scepter is basically a very ornate club or mace when you boil it down. The further you look back in art work that depicts scepters the more flat-out club like they become.

I have to wonder why this specific form of object is so often wielded by Kings, war chiefs and the like. I mean as apposed to a spear or axe, perhaps even a sword. No doubt we see these as well but the prevalence of the scepter over them is clear.

A thought I had on this is that a club is a weapon that is as dangerous as you want it to be. One could jab someone in the stomach to cause them pain but likely do no lasting harm. They could also break a leg with it to cause pain and lasting harm that a person could recover from. Or it could be used to crush the skull and end a person relatively quickly.

It imparts to the user a level of control as to how much harm they do if any that not many other weapons allow for. It's a very judicious weapon.That might be what it represents conceptually (it's deep meaning). The wielder has the power of measured and deliberate force.

Beyond that there likely is no craft which exists that does not have to it one or more club like tools. The herbalist see's a muddler. The cook sees a meat tenderizer. The cleaning servant see's a rug duster. The carpenter sees a mallet etc. So there is something that is common core and widely relatable about the shape of what is basically a top heavy stick.

In theory all could make good use of it. But the best one (at least aesthetically) only one gets to posses and with it they can decide the fate of others. There is definitely something primal and powerful about it as a status symbol (i.e. clubs/maces/scepters).

[Tim Simmons]

Any chance of more info about the book posted here? The man with the ornate stick tells those with the swords and knives where to go and fight.

[Tim Simmons]

To continue this thread. I have just managed to join in all the fun agian with the purchase (had to spend more than I wanted to)of this fascinating shark mace / club. I would think it is 1920-30s. Now the debate is what is the purpose ? Tourist production or cultural art object ? From this one of the sellers picture the only full length image. It has been carved and finished with great care polished with degree of patination. When I have it I can make a better sudy. Personally I do not think it is a weapon club. Sharks feature heavily in Solomon Island art and culture, myth and religion especially pre Christian missionary conversion. Elements of pre conversion shark cults still survive today, shark calling and feeding. I do wonder is this was the possession of a shark priest. For the moment I post some background information. A shark man sculpture from the British museum published 1977 The Tribal Image, William Fagg, British Musem Press. A very informative link to PDF. A shark reliquary, internet picture Penn Museum.

http://www.penn.museum/documents/pub...1/Vengeful.pdf

[fireiceviper]

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Any chance of more info about the book posted here? The man with the ornate stick tells those with the swords and knives where to go and fight.

these 2 publications

Power and Prestige The Arts of Island Melanesia and the Polynesian Outliers by Norman Hurst

the other is an auction catalog:

TRÉSORS D'ART OCÉANIEN - COLLECTION RAINER WERNER BOCK