Badik from Java??

Athanase · 11th March 2017, 11:02 PM

Thank you all for your comments.

The blade looks laminated, but I don't think it's a real pamor.
For the blonde horn I spoke of the upper part of the scabbard (left on the last picture). It's translucent to light. The white ring next to the black tip is indeed bone.

Sajen · 12th March 2017, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Athanase

The blade looks laminated, but I don't think it's a real pamor.

I've never seen antique badiks without pamor blade!

Athanase · 12th March 2017, 02:50 PM

I have another Javanese badik, (almost the same but smaller) with the same problem for the blade. I think to guess a laminated steel, but it has been so polished and sharpened that it's impossible to detect a pamor.

Sajen · 12th March 2017, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Athanase

I have another Javanese badik, (almost the same but smaller) with the same problem for the blade. I think to guess a laminated steel, but it has been so polished and sharpened that it's impossible to detect a pamor.

Maybe both blades need a new warangan!

Ian · 12th March 2017, 04:29 PM

Athanase:

A significant French presence in SE Asia came later than other European nations. It was not until the late 18th/early 19th C that any substantial French presence existed in mainland SE Asia. French Indochina was not established until the second half of the 19th C. It's quite possible that the knife was purchased in the 19th C. by a French traveler to Indonesia or to one of the French Indochina centers trading with Indonesia. More likely, I think, is that the knife was purchased in Zanzibar, and hence the Zanzibar attribution. M. Pinson might have been a sailor and picked this up almost anywhere, but there is the Zanzibar attribution that needs to be explained.

Ian.

11th March 2017, 11:02 PM	#1
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 417	Thank you all for your comments. The blade looks laminated, but I don't think it's a real pamor. For the blonde horn I spoke of the upper part of the scabbard (left on the last picture). It's translucent to light. The white ring next to the black tip is indeed bone.

12th March 2017, 02:50 PM	#3
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 417	I have another Javanese badik, (almost the same but smaller) with the same problem for the blade. I think to guess a laminated steel, but it has been so polished and sharpened that it's impossible to detect a pamor.

12th March 2017, 04:29 PM	#5
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,361	Athanase: A significant French presence in SE Asia came later than other European nations. It was not until the late 18th/early 19th C that any substantial French presence existed in mainland SE Asia. French Indochina was not established until the second half of the 19th C. It's quite possible that the knife was purchased in the 19th C. by a French traveler to Indonesia or to one of the French Indochina centers trading with Indonesia. More likely, I think, is that the knife was purchased in Zanzibar, and hence the Zanzibar attribution. M. Pinson might have been a sailor and picked this up almost anywhere, but there is the Zanzibar attribution that needs to be explained. Ian.