Shin Gunto 95-98 real ? kanjis translations on blade welcomed

francantolin · 11th March 2017, 05:46 AM

Hello, thank you,
Yes, a friend told me the small stamp is for seki / showa period
( why I thought and see more an ''industrial'' blade ).
I^ll ( try) to post better quality pictures.

francantolin · 11th March 2017, 08:41 AM

Better pictures !
Holy daylight !!

francantolin · 12th March 2017, 09:02 AM

No japanese specialist or WWII fanatic ?

I put the mei on right side !

koto · 12th March 2017, 09:16 AM

Rich is right about your shin gunto.
It is authentic.
The sowrd smith signature is Kanenori 兼則
Date inscription is Showa 18 years August (1943), with a Nagoya arsenal stamp.
Cheers

Rich · 12th March 2017, 11:41 AM

That is the date side. Showa ....... The makers mei is the two Kanji side. Also the stamp is a Nagoya Arsenal acceptance stamp, not a Seki or Showa stamp.
Kanenori is a known smith. Here is an example of his signature (Mei) and notice it also has the Nagoya arsenal mark.

http://www.japaneseswordindex.com/oshigata/kanenori.jpg

Hope this helps.

Rich
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Richard Stein, PhD, FAIC

Japanese Sword Guide
http://www.japaneseswordindex.com/nihonto.htm

David · 12th March 2017, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by francantolin

No japanese specialist or WWII fanatic ?

I believe that is exactly what you are getting with Rich's comments.

francantolin · 12th March 2017, 06:15 PM

Yes, Thanks a lot for precious informations about Kanenori and the Mei !!

I have a last question because I'm not a specialist:

I heard about industrial or semi industrial blade during this period,
I think this one is a semi industrial,
have you an idea what was the work of the blacksmith ?
just inspecting the blade ? Polishing ?

( I don't think it is a forged Gendai blade , I see no hamon )

GIO · 12th March 2017, 07:20 PM

A further superfluous information from "Military swords of Japan (1868-1945)" by Fuller and Gregory.
The explanation about figure vi reads: "Na or mei stamp. Very small and easily overlooked, this is probably a general inspection or acceptance stamp - as well as a Nagoya Arsenal firearms control stamp. Fairly common"

Rich · 12th March 2017, 07:25 PM

Not sure what you mean by "industrial or semi-industrial". With the exception of the "top end" gendai smiths, most other Showa era blades (whether hand forged or not) were made in factory settings using production line methods (smith forges blade, someone else polishes it, yet others mount it, etc.).
IMHO, Kanenori falls into the latter catagory - probably hand forged, but not of tamehagane, and then passed on for polishing,mounting.

Here's a page that may be of help.

http://www.japaneseswordindex.com/showato.htm

Rich

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francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 906	Better pictures ! Holy daylight !! Attached Images

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francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 906	No japanese specialist or WWII fanatic ? I put the mei on right side ! Attached Images

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Rich Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: comfortably at home, USA Posts: 432	That is the date side. Showa ....... The makers mei is the two Kanji side. Also the stamp is a Nagoya Arsenal acceptance stamp, not a Seki or Showa stamp. Kanenori is a known smith. Here is an example of his signature (Mei) and notice it also has the Nagoya arsenal mark. http://www.japaneseswordindex.com/oshigata/kanenori.jpg Hope this helps. Rich ------------------------------------------------------- Richard Stein, PhD, FAIC Japanese Sword Guide http://www.japaneseswordindex.com/nihonto.htm Last edited by Rich; 12th March 2017 at 12:36 PM. Reason: add

12th March 2017, 07:20 PM	#8
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 329	A further superfluous information from "Military swords of Japan (1868-1945)" by Fuller and Gregory. The explanation about figure vi reads: "Na or mei stamp. Very small and easily overlooked, this is probably a general inspection or acceptance stamp - as well as a Nagoya Arsenal firearms control stamp. Fairly common" Attached Images

11th March 2017, 05:46 AM	#1
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 906	Hello, thank you, Yes, a friend told me the small stamp is for seki / showa period ( why I thought and see more an ''industrial'' blade ). I^ll ( try) to post better quality pictures.

12th March 2017, 09:16 AM	#4
koto Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 27	Rich is right about your shin gunto. It is authentic. The sowrd smith signature is Kanenori 兼則 Date inscription is Showa 18 years August (1943), with a Nagoya arsenal stamp. Cheers

12th March 2017, 06:15 PM	#7
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 906	Yes, Thanks a lot for precious informations about Kanenori and the Mei !! I have a last question because I'm not a specialist: I heard about industrial or semi industrial blade during this period, I think this one is a semi industrial, have you an idea what was the work of the blacksmith ? just inspecting the blade ? Polishing ? ( I don't think it is a forged Gendai blade , I see no hamon )

12th March 2017, 07:25 PM	#9
Rich Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: comfortably at home, USA Posts: 432	Not sure what you mean by "industrial or semi-industrial". With the exception of the "top end" gendai smiths, most other Showa era blades (whether hand forged or not) were made in factory settings using production line methods (smith forges blade, someone else polishes it, yet others mount it, etc.). IMHO, Kanenori falls into the latter catagory - probably hand forged, but not of tamehagane, and then passed on for polishing,mounting. Here's a page that may be of help. http://www.japaneseswordindex.com/showato.htm Rich