"Malaysian kris/keris"

[David]

Well, it sure doesn't look Moro to my eyes. Certainly a Malay Sundang. I think i should probably transfer this one over to the Keris Forum unless anyone thinks otherwise.

[kai]

Hello David,

Well, it sure doesn't look Moro to my eyes. Certainly a Malay Sundang.

Nah, it's not a Malay keris sundang. It's a badly done modern repro, most likely from a culture (Madura?) that never had any kind of keris sundang.

I think i should probably transfer this one over to the Keris Forum

Not unless you want to cause sore eyes...

We have always discussed legitimate keris sundang on the ethno forum, not in the warung kopis... [Trying to cut a line between Moro kris, Brunei kris/keris sundang, and Malay/Riau/Indo keris sundang would be pretty futile in many cases - quite a few have Moro blades, anyway!]

Regards,
Kai

[Rafngard]

Hello All,

I don't think I'm experienced enough to have an opinion on whether this is more in the Malay or Moro tradition (or an indonesian imitation of either). However, it's worth mentioning that the blade isn't your typical your typical iron/steal, but rather pot metal/white metal. This was mentioned in the ebay listing.

Thanks,
Leif

[David]

Originally Posted by kai

Nah, it's not a Malay keris sundang. It's a badly done modern repro, most likely from a culture (Madura?) that never had any kind of keris sundang.

That may well be so, but it is still something created in Indonesia and is has been made in a form much closer to examples of Malay Sundangs than Moro. I believe its intention is to be taken for a Malay Sundang given the included ricikan of this blade and the dress form.

Originally Posted by kai

Not unless you want to cause sore eyes...

Perhaps so, but then it would be an "eyesore" no matter which forum it was posted in.

Originally Posted by kai

We have always discussed legitimate keris sundang on the ethno forum, not in the warung kopis... [Trying to cut a line between Moro kris, Brunei kris/keris sundang, and Malay/Riau/Indo keris sundang would be pretty futile in many cases - quite a few have Moro blades, anyway!]

Well, that is demonstrably false Kai. If you search just the Keris Forum for Malay Sundang you will find that we have discussed these numerous times on that board. These blades have always fallen in a bit of a middle ground and you can find discussions of them on both forums. And i think we can agree that this one is not a Moro made blade, yes?

[F. de Luzon]

Originally Posted by David

And i think we can agree that this one is not a Moro made blade, yes?

Certainly not Moro.

[A. G. Maisey]

If it is pot metal, or white metal or even pewter, I would be pretty certain that it is not Indonesian.

In addition, stylistically it is unlike anything that I've ever seen that was made in Indonesia.

However, there is a long tradition of souvenir items coming out of Malaysia, I think principally Selangor and Kuala Lumpur, of full size and miniature weapons with blades from metals other than ferric material.