Show us your Talismanic markings on keris blades

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by Jean

Hello Gavin,
Some of the marks on you blade are clearly located in a cavity, so how could they have been imprinted by a vice?
You are correct that it is difficult to assess and interpret these marks from a picture.
Regards

Jean,

That is the point I make, those on my blade are part of a talismanic pamor, not a vice.

I presented this image for comparison to those on the Tajong above.

Gavin

[Jean]

Originally Posted by Gavin Nugent

Jean,

That is the point I make, those on my blade are part of a talismanic pamor, not a vice.

I presented this image for comparison to those on the Tajong above.

Gavin

Hi Gavin,
Sorry for the misunderstanding and I agree with you.
Regards

[David]

Originally Posted by Gavin Nugent

That is the point I make, those on my blade are part of a talismanic pamor, not a vice.

One might argue that all pamor that is intentionally manipulated to create a pattern that holds symbolic meaning for its owner is "talismanic" in nature. I would also argue though that these lines cannot be considered "part of a talismanic pamor" as they are applied after the fact, no. And if we could show that these lines are intentional, and not merely the artifact of time in a vise, or in some cases because the blade itself was forged from file, that still does not provide any evidence that their intention was meant to be of a talismanic nature and not merely decorative. I am certainly open to new information on how these cross-hatched lines hold some spiritual or mystical meaning, but until then they are nothing more than decorative patterns to me, regardless of how they occurred. When this thread was opened i had really hoped we might see more examples of verifiable talismanic markings on keris blades. We all know there are many varieties that can indeed legitimately be called talismanic. Yet we seem to have devoted this thread to forging flaws and unverifiable cross-hatched markings. Surely we can find some markings that we can all agree are talismanic to talk about on this thread.

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by David

One might argue that all pamor that is intentionally manipulated to create a pattern that holds symbolic meaning for its owner is "talismanic" in nature. I would also argue though that these lines cannot be considered "part of a talismanic pamor" as they are applied after the fact, no. And if we could show that these lines are intentional, and not merely the artifact of time in a vise, or in some cases because the blade itself was forged from file, that still does not provide any evidence that their intention was meant to be of a talismanic nature and not merely decorative. I am certainly open to new information on how these cross-hatched lines hold some spiritual or mystical meaning, but until then they are nothing more than decorative patterns to me, regardless of how they occurred. When this thread was opened i had really hoped we might see more examples of verifiable talismanic markings on keris blades. We all know there are many varieties that can indeed legitimately be called talismanic. Yet we seem to have devoted this thread to forging flaws and unverifiable cross-hatched markings. Surely we can find some markings that we can all agree are talismanic to talk about on this thread.

David,

Perhaps I should not have included the image and details I did as the thread is about markings not pamor. In retrospect, to me, two vastly different things, one being manipulation of steel, the other an application of markings.

The image I presented is the result of steel manipulation, however, it is I guess, still a good reference point.

Gavin