rare dhapur Singo Sineba

Rick · 22nd February 2017, 04:59 PM

I can testify to the artificial ageing of new blades.
It took my contact a few years to find me a new keris buda that hadn't been artificially aged.
That is how prevalent this artificial ageing is...

Sajen · 22nd February 2017, 06:07 PM

I am nearly sure that we see here a reworked old blade, the singa is added newly, that's the reason that the greneng is worn like this but the contours of the singa are so sharp and the penis still so large. Also the typical Sineba bulge seems not correct to my eyes, the form is not typical IMVHO. But frankly said I've handled only very few Sineba blades so it's just my impression.

Regards,
Detlef

David · 22nd February 2017, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

I am nearly sure that we see here a reworked old blade, the singa is added newly, that's the reason that the greneng is worn like this but the contours of the singa are so sharp and the penis still so large. Also the typical Sineba bulge seems not correct to my eyes, the form is not typical IMVHO. But frankly said I've handled only very few Sineba blades so it's just my impression.

Detlef, this explanation is a very possible one indeed and perhaps more likely than a new blade that has been aged, given what we can see in these photographs. But from the quality of the images to the massive amount of oil on the blade it is not very easy to tell one way or another if this is an altered old blade, but it is certainly one way that this creation may have come into being.

Sajen · 22nd February 2017, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

But from the quality of the images to the massive amount of oil on the blade it is not very easy to tell one way or another if this is an altered old blade, but it is certainly one way that this creation may have come into being.

Hi David,

that's the reason why I have asked in my first post to this thread for an unoiled and maybe fresh stained blade.

Regards,
Detlef

drdavid · 22nd February 2017, 09:27 PM

It is hard to determine much from the photos but on Donny's 3rd image (side on, greneng to the left) I wonder whether I might be seeing a weld line from above the Singo's head to a point just in front of the pesi
DrD

A. G. Maisey · 22nd February 2017, 10:34 PM

What is happening with Fido's foot?

Perhaps there is just the smallest possibility that this entire object has been built around a genuinely old gonjo?

Look at the grain in the metal, and the surface texture : compare the gonjo with the wilah.

It is always very difficult to appraise any keris from a photo, and where an educated seller has an intention to deceive, it is almost always impossible to know what one is looking at in an online image.

But we can guess.

Jean · 23rd February 2017, 10:37 AM

Well, Donny, you were lucky not to be able to pay enough for this "treasure"

Very educative thread, thanks to Alan especially!

22nd February 2017, 10:34 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,127	What is happening with Fido's foot? Perhaps there is just the smallest possibility that this entire object has been built around a genuinely old gonjo? Look at the grain in the metal, and the surface texture : compare the gonjo with the wilah. It is always very difficult to appraise any keris from a photo, and where an educated seller has an intention to deceive, it is almost always impossible to know what one is looking at in an online image. But we can guess. Attached Images

22nd February 2017, 04:59 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,378	I can testify to the artificial ageing of new blades. It took my contact a few years to find me a new keris buda that hadn't been artificially aged. That is how prevalent this artificial ageing is...

22nd February 2017, 06:07 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,465	I am nearly sure that we see here a reworked old blade, the singa is added newly, that's the reason that the greneng is worn like this but the contours of the singa are so sharp and the penis still so large. Also the typical Sineba bulge seems not correct to my eyes, the form is not typical IMVHO. But frankly said I've handled only very few Sineba blades so it's just my impression. Regards, Detlef

22nd February 2017, 09:27 PM	#5
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 373	It is hard to determine much from the photos but on Donny's 3rd image (side on, greneng to the left) I wonder whether I might be seeing a weld line from above the Singo's head to a point just in front of the pesi DrD

23rd February 2017, 10:37 AM	#7
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Well, Donny, you were lucky not to be able to pay enough for this "treasure" Very educative thread, thanks to Alan especially!