Balinese Keris for comments

COYOTE · 21st January 2017, 04:17 AM

Sorry, rectification : looking closer and magnifying the pictures, I think that the hilt is older than I wrote previously : could be 100 to 180 years old, if it is elephant ivory.
Let me insist that it is a high quality carving hilt !

machinist · 21st January 2017, 04:53 AM

I know nothing of keris but that is a lovely and artistic piece.

Jean · 21st January 2017, 08:48 AM

This kris was recently sold at an Italian auction house, a very artistic and contemporary piece in my opinion. The hilt is not in traditional balinese style, the blade includes a carved kalarau motif on the gandik and looks well made.
Regards

RobertGuy · 21st January 2017, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

This kris was recently sold at an Italian auction house, a very artistic and contemporary piece in my opinion.
Regards

Contemporary? I believe ivory items dated post 1947 are illegal to sell in Italy so presumably this hilt is dated prior to that if it is indeed elephant ivory.

mariusgmioc · 21st January 2017, 06:09 PM

Thank you for your comments!

The hilt is definitely old ivory an judging by the patination and cracks, I would say around 100 years old.

Any comments about the Pamor?

Marcokeris · 21st January 2017, 09:20 PM

very nice pics !!!

David · 22nd January 2017, 08:57 AM

Well, while this keris has been photographed in a beautiful manner these images don't actual make for a very good assessment. But then photographs often don't.
This is a lovely artistic piece. I i'm not convinced we are looking at antique ivory though i could not say if it dates pre-1947 or not.
The blade raises some questions for me. The greneng and ron dha look rather odd for an old Bali keris. The work at the gandik could have been added later to this keris. Hard to tell without a good close-up. The groves cut into the front of the gonjo look rather sloppy compared to the garap of the rest of this blade.
The sunggingan is very nicely done, but seems in unusual condition if it were to be very old, though it is always possible that it is just very well preserved.
A very attractive keris regardless.

Jean · 23rd January 2017, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RobertGuy

Contemporary? I believe ivory items dated post 1947 are illegal to sell in Italy so presumably this hilt is dated prior to that if it is indeed elephant ivory.

When I say "contemporary" I do not mean brand new since this piece was in an Italian collection for some time but it may be about 30 years old. And it would not be difficult for the auction house to convince the Italian Customs authorities that this hilt dates from pre-1947 since it has some patina.
Regards

21st January 2017, 08:48 AM	#3
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	This kris was recently sold at an Italian auction house, a very artistic and contemporary piece in my opinion. The hilt is not in traditional balinese style, the blade includes a carved kalarau motif on the gandik and looks well made. Regards Last edited by Jean; 21st January 2017 at 01:16 PM.

21st January 2017, 04:17 AM	#1
COYOTE Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brazil Posts: 27	Sorry, rectification : looking closer and magnifying the pictures, I think that the hilt is older than I wrote previously : could be 100 to 180 years old, if it is elephant ivory. Let me insist that it is a high quality carving hilt !

21st January 2017, 04:53 AM	#2
machinist Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 93	I know nothing of keris but that is a lovely and artistic piece.

21st January 2017, 06:09 PM	#5
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	Thank you for your comments! The hilt is definitely old ivory an judging by the patination and cracks, I would say around 100 years old. Any comments about the Pamor?

21st January 2017, 09:20 PM	#6
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	very nice pics !!!

22nd January 2017, 08:57 AM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,209	Well, while this keris has been photographed in a beautiful manner these images don't actual make for a very good assessment. But then photographs often don't. This is a lovely artistic piece. I i'm not convinced we are looking at antique ivory though i could not say if it dates pre-1947 or not. The blade raises some questions for me. The greneng and ron dha look rather odd for an old Bali keris. The work at the gandik could have been added later to this keris. Hard to tell without a good close-up. The groves cut into the front of the gonjo look rather sloppy compared to the garap of the rest of this blade. The sunggingan is very nicely done, but seems in unusual condition if it were to be very old, though it is always possible that it is just very well preserved. A very attractive keris regardless.