new pistol

rickystl · 13th January 2017, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi Rick,
I sent to Fernando detailled explanations and he is right of course.
That is said but what is very disturbing is the fact that this pistol is even better in 'real' than on photographs. The decoration, the weight balance, the size, it's a nice piece so it would be difficult for me to leave it.
Please, look at this Algerian Moukala made in 1918 (the date in Gregoran calendar is engraved on the stock)...not mine unfortunately...

Best,
Kubur

Hi Kubur.

Well, I had to try.

LOL

That Moukala is dated very late. The lock and barrel may be older and re-used to build this one. The barrel seems a bit shorter than most, but could be original.

Rick.

BANDOOK · 14th January 2017, 12:00 PM

HI KUBUR
THIS BELONGS TO A FRIEND WHO LIVES IN FRANCE,WAS FOR SALE SOMETIME BACK
MOROCCON OR ALGERIAN,LOVELY PISTOL
REGARDS RAJESH

Fernando K · 14th January 2017, 03:26 PM

Hi

I do not know why Argentina is said. I live in Argentina, and I assure you that in my country there was no factory or artisan capable of producing this pistol.

It is a European pistol, perhaps Belgian, to which the wooden hilt was changed or used to decorate the Marquis estillo.

I think it's a tourist piece.

Affectionately. Fernando K

Fernando K · 14th January 2017, 06:12 PM

Hi

Now I notice that the lid is held, not by a screw, but by a nail, in the upper part. I can not see what happens at the bottom, but I feel the same

Affectionately. Fernando K

Kubur · 15th January 2017, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BANDOOK

HI KUBUR
THIS BELONGS TO A FRIEND WHO LIVES IN FRANCE,WAS FOR SALE SOMETIME BACK
MOROCCON OR ALGERIAN,LOVELY PISTOL
REGARDS RAJESH

Hi Rajesh,
Yes you are right, it's the same style and probably the same workshop.
A very nice little pocket pistol.
Best wishes
Kubur

BANDOOK · 15th January 2017, 07:02 AM

TNX FOR YOUR REPLY KUBUR,CHEERS MERCIE

corrado26 · 15th January 2017, 10:26 AM

The origin of this double barrel pistol is a mass made German so called "Weinbergpistole" used in the vinyards to disturb birds. These pistols have been in production up to the 1930s and in German warehouse catalogues they had a price of 1.-Reichsmark. There have been pistols with round or edged barrels but always of very primitiv or simple make.
corrado26

Oliver Pinchot · 15th January 2017, 06:03 PM

While it is never pleasant to learn that a treasured piece is a copy, one as good as Kubur's is worthy of some analysis:

The buttcap and barrel band appear to be cast. I am aware of very few types of period Moroccan work which include this technique.

The wood is very smooth and appears to lack patina.

The engraving on the lock and barrel tang applique` are quite crisp and show no wear. The wire inlay combined with coral and turquoise inlay likewise show little wear.

The work on the barrel does not appear to be inlay; rather, it is copper or brass which has been melted into the engraved lines and polished flat to the surface. This technique is very common these days.

Most interestingly, however, is the fact that the copyist found a good, complete example on which to base his work, probably in a museum or perhaps even in a book. He has not varied much at all from the original form, and the quality of workmanship is quite good overall.

Modern work is most easily identified by the absence of original form; it displays varying degrees of "artistic invention," most of which is comically poor. Regretably, the trend spans the entire range of arms and armor.

Kubur · 17th September 2017, 06:29 PM

Guys
Confirmed as an early 20th c. Moroccan decorative pistol
but functionnal... in the style of the 18th - 19th c.
I found at least two other models very similar...

14th January 2017, 12:00 PM	#2
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 627	A COUSIN OF YOUR PISTOL HI KUBUR THIS BELONGS TO A FRIEND WHO LIVES IN FRANCE,WAS FOR SALE SOMETIME BACK MOROCCON OR ALGERIAN,LOVELY PISTOL REGARDS RAJESH Attached Images

15th January 2017, 10:26 AM	#7
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,239	The origin of this double barrel pistol is a mass made German so called "Weinbergpistole" used in the vinyards to disturb birds. These pistols have been in production up to the 1930s and in German warehouse catalogues they had a price of 1.-Reichsmark. There have been pistols with round or edged barrels but always of very primitiv or simple make. corrado26 Attached Images

17th September 2017, 06:29 PM	#9
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Guys Confirmed as an early 20th c. Moroccan decorative pistol but functionnal... in the style of the 18th - 19th c. I found at least two other models very similar... Attached Images

14th January 2017, 03:26 PM	#3
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 672	Hi I do not know why Argentina is said. I live in Argentina, and I assure you that in my country there was no factory or artisan capable of producing this pistol. It is a European pistol, perhaps Belgian, to which the wooden hilt was changed or used to decorate the Marquis estillo. I think it's a tourist piece. Affectionately. Fernando K

14th January 2017, 06:12 PM	#4
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 672	Hi Now I notice that the lid is held, not by a screw, but by a nail, in the upper part. I can not see what happens at the bottom, but I feel the same Affectionately. Fernando K

15th January 2017, 07:02 AM	#6
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 627	TNX FOR YOUR REPLY KUBUR,CHEERS MERCIE

15th January 2017, 06:03 PM	#8
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 468	While it is never pleasant to learn that a treasured piece is a copy, one as good as Kubur's is worthy of some analysis: The buttcap and barrel band appear to be cast. I am aware of very few types of period Moroccan work which include this technique. The wood is very smooth and appears to lack patina. The engraving on the lock and barrel tang applique` are quite crisp and show no wear. The wire inlay combined with coral and turquoise inlay likewise show little wear. The work on the barrel does not appear to be inlay; rather, it is copper or brass which has been melted into the engraved lines and polished flat to the surface. This technique is very common these days. Most interestingly, however, is the fact that the copyist found a good, complete example on which to base his work, probably in a museum or perhaps even in a book. He has not varied much at all from the original form, and the quality of workmanship is quite good overall. Modern work is most easily identified by the absence of original form; it displays varying degrees of "artistic invention," most of which is comically poor. Regretably, the trend spans the entire range of arms and armor.