"The sword of the Prophet"

Pusaka · 24th February 2006, 08:25 PM

I remember seeing a ancient painting of the sword and it was shown as a curved blade with the snake tong point (forked)

Dom · 24th February 2006, 11:18 PM

In Topkapi Palace, I saw a sample for that type of sword,
in Tunis souk also, it was a copy, funny
here joined, a scan from my bibliotheque source;
- Les Armes Orientales (Easten Weapons) by Iaroslav Lebedynsky
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attach...tid=8831&stc=1

translation of French text:
Zulficar (dhoû-l-faqâr) ottaman
of XVIII century with flamed
blades. Zulficar is a blade parallels
scimitar evoking the legendary sabre of Ali.
The use of such weapons to the combat is doubtful;
some could be used as religious or military emblems.

à +

Dom

Aqtai · 24th February 2006, 11:41 PM

That sword looks like a rather crude straight "dhul-feqqar" style blade with a 15th century Andalucian hilt attached to it.

Dom · 6th March 2006, 01:13 PM

in preparation of our next trip, some months in Syria, I found in a book concerning that country the following illustration dated 18th century
it's exactly the sword of our chat purpose
translation of the French text (by a Frenchie

) ;
The Christians of Syria are above all the Arabs: they preserve the
culture and the modes of representation, including in the religious
iconography. Illuminated (?) (Enluminée) page of the Gospel of Luc, XVIIIe S., Museum of Damas

tuancd · 7th March 2006, 12:23 AM

Just a slight correction of the translation. In order to make it clearer.

The Christians of Syria are above all Arabs: ... and not "The Christians of Syria are above all the Arabs:"

That makes a difference (another frenchie

)

Dom · 7th March 2006, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tuancd

Just a slight correction of the translation. In order to make it clearer.
The Christians of Syria are above all Arabs: ... and not "The Christians of Syria are above all the Arabs:"
That makes a difference (another frenchie

)

I apologize for that major mistake, I'm realy shame, I haven't excuse, deeply sorry if I offend somebody
and, I'm not a Christian, I'm a Muslim

that prove that it wasn't a provocation from my side, just a stupidity to have used an automatic translator
Merci cher Compatriote d'avoir corrigé cette imbécilité

PUFF · 7th March 2006, 03:10 AM

According to the Quran, human illustration is prohibited. The picture above might came from less conservative muslim community. And the sword drawing might be only artist 's concept, IMHO

Zan · 7th March 2006, 03:24 AM

Hi Puff,

The pictures comes from the New Testament of the Bible, and not the Guran, so it makes sense. It is Arab, not Muslim.

Zan (still another Frenchie!, but from Québec)

24th February 2006, 11:18 PM	#2
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	In Topkapi Palace, I saw a sample for that type of sword, in Tunis souk also, it was a copy, funny here joined, a scan from my bibliotheque source; - Les Armes Orientales (Easten Weapons) by Iaroslav Lebedynsky http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attach...tid=8831&stc=1 translation of French text: Zulficar (dhoû-l-faqâr) ottaman of XVIII century with flamed blades. Zulficar is a blade parallels scimitar evoking the legendary sabre of Ali. The use of such weapons to the combat is doubtful; some could be used as religious or military emblems. à + Dom Attached Images

6th March 2006, 01:13 PM	#4
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	in preparation of our next trip, some months in Syria, I found in a book concerning that country the following illustration dated 18th century it's exactly the sword of our chat purpose translation of the French text (by a Frenchie ) ; The Christians of Syria are above all the Arabs: they preserve the culture and the modes of representation, including in the religious iconography. Illuminated (?) (Enluminée) page of the Gospel of Luc, XVIIIe S., Museum of Damas Attached Images

24th February 2006, 08:25 PM	#1
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	I remember seeing a ancient painting of the sword and it was shown as a curved blade with the snake tong point (forked)

24th February 2006, 11:41 PM	#3
Aqtai Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Merseyside, UK Posts: 222	That sword looks like a rather crude straight "dhul-feqqar" style blade with a 15th century Andalucian hilt attached to it.

7th March 2006, 12:23 AM	#5
tuancd Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Paris - Bruxelles Posts: 32	Just a slight correction of the translation. In order to make it clearer. The Christians of Syria are above all Arabs: ... and not "The Christians of Syria are above all the Arabs:" That makes a difference (another frenchie )

7th March 2006, 03:10 AM	#7
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	According to the Quran, human illustration is prohibited. The picture above might came from less conservative muslim community. And the sword drawing might be only artist 's concept, IMHO

7th March 2006, 03:24 AM	#8
Zan Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Montréal, Province of Québec, Canada Posts: 46	Hi Puff, The pictures comes from the New Testament of the Bible, and not the Guran, so it makes sense. It is Arab, not Muslim. Zan (still another Frenchie!, but from Québec)