A late 16th century Dussack for comment

cornelistromp · 28th November 2016, 10:49 AM

for early possible Dutch basket hilt form see

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=basket+hilt post #135

P. Norheim Type C.
there was a type C sword with a Dutch name in the blade in the Visser collection and several baskets only of this type have been found in the Netherlands, probably spare parts or perhaps this type was assembled in the Netherlands.

best,
Jasper

picture copyright by Carl koppeschaar

cornelistromp · 29th November 2016, 08:38 AM

the dussage of post 1 and below dussage 1570/80 are both of type F ( Norheim -Army museum's Yearbook 1971 ?), nevertheless there are significant differences in the hilt design.

the dussage of #1 has an open structure hilt design, such as the earliest examples, and small protective plate with two additional bars at each side of the plate.
later developed, these 2 bars and plate were probably replaced by a bigger shell plate, as below example. therefor the dussage of post #1 can be dated a little earlier.

a classification of its own for the type dussage of #1 instead of placing it as a subtype under F could be justified.

best,

Cerjak · 29th November 2016, 04:59 PM

Jasper,
This beautiful dussage would fit much better with his sister in a French collection than in your collection.
The three together would make a nice set And I don’t have Dussage sabre !

Best
Jean-Luc

cornelistromp · 29th November 2016, 06:03 PM

unfortunately I don't have have the dussage anymore, a few years ago it went to an collector in the USA.

when I see the pictures of the dussage you just posted, I should have kept it in my collection. I really do not know what I was thinking.

best,
Jasper

Tordenskiold1721 · 1st December 2016, 05:48 PM

Thank you for posting some really interesting and fine Dussage's

29th November 2016, 08:38 AM	#2
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,063	the dussage of post 1 and below dussage 1570/80 are both of type F ( Norheim -Army museum's Yearbook 1971 ?), nevertheless there are significant differences in the hilt design. the dussage of #1 has an open structure hilt design, such as the earliest examples, and small protective plate with two additional bars at each side of the plate. later developed, these 2 bars and plate were probably replaced by a bigger shell plate, as below example. therefor the dussage of post #1 can be dated a little earlier. a classification of its own for the type dussage of #1 instead of placing it as a subtype under F could be justified. best, Attached Images Last edited by cornelistromp; 29th November 2016 at 08:50 AM.

29th November 2016, 04:59 PM	#3
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Jasper, This beautiful dussage would fit much better with his sister in a French collection than in your collection. The three together would make a nice set And I don’t have Dussage sabre ! Best Jean-Luc Attached Images

28th November 2016, 10:49 AM	#1
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,063	for early possible Dutch basket hilt form see http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=basket+hilt post #135 P. Norheim Type C. there was a type C sword with a Dutch name in the blade in the Visser collection and several baskets only of this type have been found in the Netherlands, probably spare parts or perhaps this type was assembled in the Netherlands. best, Jasper picture copyright by Carl koppeschaar Attached Images

29th November 2016, 06:03 PM	#4
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,063	unfortunately I don't have have the dussage anymore, a few years ago it went to an collector in the USA. when I see the pictures of the dussage you just posted, I should have kept it in my collection. I really do not know what I was thinking. best, Jasper

1st December 2016, 05:48 PM	#5
Tordenskiold1721 Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 72	Thank you for posting some really interesting and fine Dussage's