Sword belt hook

[fernando]

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[kronckew]

yes. the length of the two straps is optimised for horseback, when you dismount you hang the upper ring with the shorter strap off the hook on the belt. most US army/navy belts have a built in brass hook for this purpose. jeb stuart (CSA cavalry) made a lot of money by selling a brass device with a hook for suspending your sabre by placing the hook over your belt from underneath the belt). the two leather straps were fastened to slots at the base, which included a hook such as we speak about here. it was designed so a gentleman officer could more easily remove his sword before dining, and rapidly replace it after. the chain hanger is for a us sword with only one scabbard ring. the hook is facing staright out at you.

[Jim McDougall]

Wayne, outstanding!
There you have it.....its a cinch hook for sword carry dismounted.
JEB Stuart! and Confederate cavalry, brilliant

[AHorsa]

There recently was a similar piece in renaissance style described as a key hook for holding keys at the belt:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/112184098854?...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[kronckew]

Originally Posted by AHorsa

There recently was a similar piece in renaissance style described as a key hook for holding keys at the belt:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/112184098854?...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

ebay descriptions can be quite fanciful. i get some good items that mislabelled, and do not show up in most collectors searches. one of my favourites was a burmese presentatation dha with a silver inlaid blade ebay called an egyptian machete, got it for under a tenner. i told the vendor what it really was, she said her idiot son had told her that was what he thought it was.

[Evgeny_K]

Originally Posted by AHorsa

There recently was a similar piece in renaissance style described as a key hook for holding keys at the belt:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/112184098854?...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I'm not sure that this description is correct
(EUR 233,00 is too much for "key holder" )

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by AHorsa

There recently was a similar piece in renaissance style described as a key hook for holding keys at the belt:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/112184098854?...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

A picture for later reference when the ebay link is gone.

[Victrix]

Originally Posted by Sajen

A picture for later reference when the ebay link is gone.

Interesting. I have seen a hook like this for sale somewhere (can't recall where) when it was described as a carbine hook for bandoleer worn across the chest by cavalry.

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Wayne, outstanding!
There you have it .....its a cinch hook for sword carry dismounted .., brilliant

What ? Wasn't that assumption previously approached (even sketched) ? I want a lollipop too .
Here is the latest Portuguese solution; one from my stock.

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[kronckew]

brits use that form now on sam brown belts. straight sword scabbard goes into a frog which has two angled straps that buckle on to the two square brass loops either side of the hook, allowing the sword to hang vertically. can be raised off the floor & hung on the hook by a loop on the back of the frog. little fiddly to remove for dinner, you can slide the scabbard out of the frog.

[rickystl]

This past year I purchased an Afghan belt assembly which included one of these hooks. I seem to recall a discussion in the Ethno Forum as to the primary use for this hook. There were several speculations, but nothing really conclusive.
It seems the purpose was to carry a sword, suspended from the top ring of the scabbard, while on horseback. I can't really think of any other use, other than a relationship to the sword.
I have seen a couple of these hooks pop up on Ebay. But the sellers want too much for them.

Rick

[Evgeny_K]

Thank you, Rick!