My first Keris

Henk · 15th February 2006, 01:30 PM

Martin,

Just like you we have fun on the forum and learn a lot from our fellow members.
Please, dont see the remarks Nechesh and I made as criticism. Because it isn't. We just want to know where your info comes from.

As a dutch just like you are, you and I know that especially on the subject keris the knowledge about the keris is not always found in books. A lot of our fellow countrymen where inhabitants of Indonesia who came in the fifties to Holland and they didn't wrote their knowledge in books but passed it oral to their sons and the interested dutch youngsters who where fascinated by the keris and wanted ancious to learn. That last part was certainly for me.

I for instance have on a small sheet written down by an Indonesian friend of my in those days the steps for cleaning the keris. I bet that that is not found in any book. Scientific?? Certainly not!! But for me it is a treasure and the knowledge passed to me how to take care for your keris. And it is just as you said and other forum members made that remark before, also the authors of the books differ in their opinions and made mistakes.

So don't see it as an attack. We just want to gather knowledge just like you.

nechesh · 15th February 2006, 01:55 PM

Thanks for clarifying your position Martin. Still, i think i will stick with Javanese origin, probably sometime in the Mataram kingdom.
As Henk said, we were both interested in your source for yur comment on Madurese soldiers because when we hear a factoid that we haven't heard before we wonder what references we are missing in our libraries.

Henk · 15th February 2006, 04:40 PM

Martin,

Just like Nechesh i'm afraid that I'm convinced that this keris is javanese and not madurese.

Mans · 17th February 2006, 04:59 PM

hi dear all,

I just want to give my opinion about Valjhun keris ;
I think the dapur called Parungsari with Pamor Wos Wutah (strewn rice). That because this keris has 13 luks and 2 Lambe Gajah and another ricikans. Different with Sengkelat which has just 1 Lambe Gajah.

For another example of Parungsari Keris : http://keris.fotopic.net/p22383543.html

And this one called Sengkelat : http://keris.fotopic.net/p24377230.html

From the iron kind, luk style, sirah cecak, bend of the wadidang and kembang kacang style, I supposed that this keris came from Mataram period, more specific ; Mataram Sultan Agung period (about 16th century). Nice keris !!

The wrangka is and old made in Gayaman Surakarta style from Timoho wood.
Nice wrangka !!

The old mendak called Kendhit with beads which made from Zakut stones, like a diamond but more dull.

Many the Mataram Sultan Agung kerises made with deep Sogokan. So that many keris from this period came with hole at the Sogokan, especially if the owner didn't taken care it well.

Overall, this is an authentic good keris with good wrangka !!

Valjhun · 20th February 2006, 07:50 AM

wow, that's nice if it is really from 16th century

Thanks to all of you for that most interesting debatate.

I have a further question. Is there a way of cleaning or treatment to bring up the pamor with no risk of damaging the blade?

Alam Shah · 20th February 2006, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Valjhun

I have a further question. Is there a way of cleaning or treatment to bring up the pamor with no risk of damaging the blade?

Traditionally, to remove rust and clean the keris, coconut water is used (use ripe coconut for better result). Remove the hilt and hilt ring, soak the keris blade in coconut water. Leave it for 1-2 days. It can take up to 3-4 days depending on how thick/stubborn the rust on the blade. Remove the blade approx. every 6 hours, brush gently with a tooth brush and rinse in soapy water. The rust will be removed and you will get the pamor pattern.

Henk · 20th February 2006, 01:34 PM

Alam Shah,

Is the juice of coconut enough to get the pamor back?

I was thought that warangan (lemon or lime juice with arsenic) did the etching to get the pamor back again.

17th February 2006, 04:59 PM	#4
Mans Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Java Posts: 137	Dapur and Tangguh hi dear all, I just want to give my opinion about Valjhun keris ; I think the dapur called Parungsari with Pamor Wos Wutah (strewn rice). That because this keris has 13 luks and 2 Lambe Gajah and another ricikans. Different with Sengkelat which has just 1 Lambe Gajah. For another example of Parungsari Keris : http://keris.fotopic.net/p22383543.html And this one called Sengkelat : http://keris.fotopic.net/p24377230.html From the iron kind, luk style, sirah cecak, bend of the wadidang and kembang kacang style, I supposed that this keris came from Mataram period, more specific ; Mataram Sultan Agung period (about 16th century). Nice keris !! The wrangka is and old made in Gayaman Surakarta style from Timoho wood. Nice wrangka !! The old mendak called Kendhit with beads which made from Zakut stones, like a diamond but more dull. Many the Mataram Sultan Agung kerises made with deep Sogokan. So that many keris from this period came with hole at the Sogokan, especially if the owner didn't taken care it well. Overall, this is an authentic good keris with good wrangka !!

15th February 2006, 01:30 PM	#1
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Martin, Just like you we have fun on the forum and learn a lot from our fellow members. Please, dont see the remarks Nechesh and I made as criticism. Because it isn't. We just want to know where your info comes from. As a dutch just like you are, you and I know that especially on the subject keris the knowledge about the keris is not always found in books. A lot of our fellow countrymen where inhabitants of Indonesia who came in the fifties to Holland and they didn't wrote their knowledge in books but passed it oral to their sons and the interested dutch youngsters who where fascinated by the keris and wanted ancious to learn. That last part was certainly for me. I for instance have on a small sheet written down by an Indonesian friend of my in those days the steps for cleaning the keris. I bet that that is not found in any book. Scientific?? Certainly not!! But for me it is a treasure and the knowledge passed to me how to take care for your keris. And it is just as you said and other forum members made that remark before, also the authors of the books differ in their opinions and made mistakes. So don't see it as an attack. We just want to gather knowledge just like you.

15th February 2006, 01:55 PM	#2
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Thanks for clarifying your position Martin. Still, i think i will stick with Javanese origin, probably sometime in the Mataram kingdom. As Henk said, we were both interested in your source for yur comment on Madurese soldiers because when we hear a factoid that we haven't heard before we wonder what references we are missing in our libraries.

15th February 2006, 04:40 PM	#3
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Martin, Just like Nechesh i'm afraid that I'm convinced that this keris is javanese and not madurese.

20th February 2006, 07:50 AM	#5
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	wow, that's nice if it is really from 16th century Thanks to all of you for that most interesting debatate. I have a further question. Is there a way of cleaning or treatment to bring up the pamor with no risk of damaging the blade?

20th February 2006, 01:34 PM	#7
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Alam Shah, Is the juice of coconut enough to get the pamor back? I was thought that warangan (lemon or lime juice with arsenic) did the etching to get the pamor back again.