Massive Indian spear (sang)

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Mercenary

The largest of your spearheads is common cavalry lance (not for hunting) that were more than 2 m. long with very thick staff. It is from North (?) or more probably from Central India, second half of 18 century I suppose. Unfortunately any attempts to identify names or terms for Indian spears will be no more than speculations. This is a big problem (((

Thanks, not much info available or images of the large Indian spears that are called "sang".

[Mercenary]

Like yours:

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Mercenary

Like yours:

Yes very close, how long is yours?

[Mercenary]

Originally Posted by estcrh

Yes very close, how long is yours?

This one is not mine

[Mercenary]

Originally Posted by estcrh

Thanks, not much info available or images of the large Indian spears that are called "sang".

All the names of Indian spears during the last three centuries have been used indiscriminately. Even in India.

For the most part the term "sang" meant "javelin" or very thin and light spear.

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Mercenary

All the names of Indian spears during the last three centuries have been used indiscriminately. Even in India.

For the most part the term "sang" meant "javelin" or very thin and light spear.

Stone has "sang" twice??? I guess even he was confused, to add even more confusion he also has "sangu" with what looks like a similar spear.

[estcrh]

From Egerton. "Arms of the Aboriginal and Dravidian races of Southern India".

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Some further examples

[Mercenary]

Originally Posted by estcrh

From Egerton.

Stoun, Egerton, Irvine and more are NOT the different sources or the cross references. They used the same data ((

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

What was the effect of Portuguese Dutch and English ships ...Battle Fleets off the coast of India and shortly after at Sri Lankla with regard to spear transfer of design and technology however basic in these weapons? I can follow to a certain extent some transfer of the European Partisan style spear but to be clear here is the backdrop of essential events that place questions on the time scale of possibility...plus the odd very unusual fact thrown in here for good measure which raise not a few questions....Bare in mind that in any vanguard move the Portuguese were sure to have spears in their order of Battle. Usually Partisan style. The Dutch had the same weapon and used it equally in their style of fighting with spear m,en to the fore...

1. The Portuguese. Vasco da Gama was on the Indian Coast(Malibar...Calicut) and went ashore 20 May 1498 and the first person he met was a Tunisian Moslem gentleman...!!!

2. Later they discovered Sri Lankla and went into battle mode from 1505 to 1658.
3. The Dutch took over from about 1640.
4. The British were relatively latecomers but entered the situation in 1796.

Are we saying that the Portuguese who had a very high military profile impacted no spear technology in almost a century and a half of battling the Sri Lankans? and that it was the Dutch who introduced the Partesan spear weapon to the Sri Lankans after 1640...?

What do we know about the meeting with the Tunisian and how does that alter the weapon potential of copied form from the Mediterranean to the Indian Ocean and Vice Versa?

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

As a vignette on proceedings here is a sketch of a battle between Dutch and Portuguese indicating heavy use of spears at least certainly by the Dutch but we know the defenders would have had equally a lot of spear men in their order of Battle...The Galle Fort being stormed by the Dutch. The defenders were Portuguese..plus Mercenaries. 1640AD

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Mercenary

Stoun, Egerton, Irvine and more are NOT the different sources or the cross references. They used the same data ((

And what data did they use??