A tiller/stick cannon for comments

Marcus den toom · 4th September 2016, 12:32 PM

It is of Montjuic type, no doubt about that (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=montjuic)

The added barrelmouth piece seems to be Spanish in style. I wil look for medieval sources of Spanish tiller guns to verify this.

All in all a very rare gun.

Silver Shield · 4th September 2016, 02:50 PM

Fernando ,
That is a really wonderful piece !! Id offer 3 large sea shells , one chicken and three colored round stones ! All joking aside its nice to see these early gonne types and preservation seems very nice . Any Markers Marks ?Or Marks of any kind ?

fernando · 4th September 2016, 04:45 PM

Thank you Michael,
It is not yet in my possession, but i don't think it has any marks.
However i was told that it is loaded; probably some ball or clod shot in its chamber.

fernando · 9th October 2016, 01:35 PM

Not much improvement with the new photos. I am not yet motivated to try and extract the contents inside barrel, assuming it is a real ammunition load. I don't have the means to check it close enough nor the tools to pull it out; neither the notion to define whether it is iron or soft lead, which would facilitate the extraction with some screw device.

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Spiridonov · 9th October 2016, 08:32 PM

Thank You! Very interesting barrel! I will be very interesting to make x-ray photo

fernando · 11th October 2016, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Spiridonov

Thank You! Very interesting barrel! I will be very interesting to make x-ray photo

I am trying to find someone who does this kind of work, Alexander, but i had no results yet.
On the other hand, i measured the interior of the barrel and came to the conclusion that whatever is inside stays within one centimeter from the touch hole ... hardly enough length to contain the load of gunpowder and the projectile.

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fernando · 18th October 2016, 07:23 PM

X-ray done.
Contrary to my expectations, it was not so difficult to find a place to do it and, also confirming my other expectations, i find it hard to interpreter the images.
I was very well atended by the specialists (from the industrial trade), as they became very interested and wished to help me analize the barrel and the chamber. Besides the X-ray equipment, a boroscope was also used, but without effective results, as its camera was a lateral one and could not visualize frontwards. A pity that the endoscope was out for exterior works and they could not use it.
In any case, one could assume that this gun is not loaded. What i think is visible is a solid section in the core of the chamber, which could well be a sort of plug, even an extension projected from the socket. I wouldn't know how to put this in the propper terms; maybe some of you guys (Alexander?) understand what i am saying or, even better, has the correct idea of what these images represent.
It also looks, at least in my imagination, that the barrel tube was forged in the winding system.
What do you Gentlemen say about this ?

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4th September 2016, 02:50 PM	#2
Silver Shield Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Phoenix Arizona USA Posts: 32	WOW Fernando , That is a really wonderful piece !! Id offer 3 large sea shells , one chicken and three colored round stones ! All joking aside its nice to see these early gonne types and preservation seems very nice . Any Markers Marks ?Or Marks of any kind ?

9th October 2016, 01:35 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Not much improvement with the new photos. I am not yet motivated to try and extract the contents inside barrel, assuming it is a real ammunition load. I don't have the means to check it close enough nor the tools to pull it out; neither the notion to define whether it is iron or soft lead, which would facilitate the extraction with some screw device. . Attached Images

18th October 2016, 07:23 PM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	X-ray done. Contrary to my expectations, it was not so difficult to find a place to do it and, also confirming my other expectations, i find it hard to interpreter the images. I was very well atended by the specialists (from the industrial trade), as they became very interested and wished to help me analize the barrel and the chamber. Besides the X-ray equipment, a boroscope was also used, but without effective results, as its camera was a lateral one and could not visualize frontwards. A pity that the endoscope was out for exterior works and they could not use it. In any case, one could assume that this gun is not loaded. What i think is visible is a solid section in the core of the chamber, which could well be a sort of plug, even an extension projected from the socket. I wouldn't know how to put this in the propper terms; maybe some of you guys (Alexander?) understand what i am saying or, even better, has the correct idea of what these images represent. It also looks, at least in my imagination, that the barrel tube was forged in the winding system. What do you Gentlemen say about this ? . Attached Images

4th September 2016, 12:32 PM	#1
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	It is of Montjuic type, no doubt about that (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=montjuic) The added barrelmouth piece seems to be Spanish in style. I wil look for medieval sources of Spanish tiller guns to verify this. All in all a very rare gun.

4th September 2016, 04:45 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you Michael, It is not yet in my possession, but i don't think it has any marks. However i was told that it is loaded; probably some ball or clod shot in its chamber.

9th October 2016, 08:32 PM	#5
Spiridonov Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Russia, Leningrad Posts: 355	Thank You! Very interesting barrel! I will be very interesting to make x-ray photo