Plains stone axe for ?ing

[Tim Simmons]

Thank you for that link. Provides a great deal of food for thought. Yes faking and reproductions add to collecting problems. The foul cry fake is a way to end any real investigation. I often think especially where an object does not clearly fit in " fake " category who really has the authority and ultimate knowledge. Those who have been in the scene for a long time and gain a kind of following and often dealership never seem to have fakes . Only you as a newbie or potential customer wanting to perhaps make a trade. I came across a very interesting Web page about ancient Peru ceramics. The jist of it was some experts are actually gaining their knowledge and expertise on fakes. I will add it when I find it again.

[mross]

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Thank you for that link. Provides a great deal of food for thought. Yes faking and reproductions add to collecting problems. The foul cry fake is a way to end any real investigation. I often think especially where an object does not clearly fit in " fake " category who really has the authority and ultimate knowledge. Those who have been in the scene for a long time and gain a kind of following and often dealership never seem to have fakes . Only you as a newbie or potential customer wanting to perhaps make a trade. I came across a very interesting Web page about ancient Peru ceramics. The jist of it was some experts are actually gaining their knowledge and expertise on fakes. I will add it when I find it again.

If you want to get really crazy here is progression for your consideration.
1)Total fake modern made.
2)Real broken artifact made into something new;
a) Made into something new in modern times
b) Made into something "new" in ancient times.
3)Real artifact made into something new
a) Modified by modern man
b) Modified by ancient man - if you want to see a artifact collector cry show him a clovis point made into something else.
4)Real artifact "enhanced"
a) Enhanced by modern man -this could be anything from resharpening to fixing a base to augmenting serrations.
b) Enhanced by ancient man -see above.
So where do you draw the line? If you think any of these things are easy to detect I refer you to "Authenticating Ancient Indian Artifacts, How to recognize reproduction and altered artifacts" by Jim Bennett

[Tim Simmons]

Well there is just as equal chance that by luck or judgment or long observation and museum pounding that you just got it right '

[Tim Simmons]

Another potential fake. Better pictures when I have it.

[Tim Simmons]

I should really start a new thread with this piece as it is very unlikely to be from the northern plains.

[Tim Simmons]

I have it now 31 inches top to end of haft. Hide covered whipy flex stick. Coarse horse hair tassle, sewn hide with fine multi strand horse hair. It has a "fake"? collection number 17P on the stone. Is it a fake just because it is made of simple natural materials? Is it a fake because it looks aged? Is it a fake because people still knap stone? As a sculptor used to making "art work" I would be most impressed by somebody could get the inside spaces to look the way they do but that is just my opinion. It is not a big heavy weapon. All I can say is that if a warrior can running at me or at speed on horse back, and struck me with it. I would probably not be standing up again.

It may not be from the Northern Plains but saying that the plains are huge and there is no law that says all clubs are this or that form.

Anyway here it is. You can pay more for an obvious fantasy piece to hang with your dream catcher.

[Tim Simmons]

https://collections.peabody.harvard....stone-thick-pi