Classifying shashka--a serious discussion of typology

kamachate · 27th August 2016, 10:24 PM

Then, here is a pseudo shashka from me

The hilt is goat's horn. The iron expand of the blade goes until the end of the hilt, nearly have the shape of it. The places of the rivets can give a clue. The "ears" of the hilt are not as usual.

The fuller is strange, and one can note the strange curve where the fuller begins. The blade narrows after the fuller, and slightly expands after it, as if there is a kind of "yalman". I have never seen any parallels of this one

Someone told me that this was "one of the earliest examples of shashkas", but I did not buy it (if only it was )

Best.

ariel · 28th August 2016, 04:40 AM

I think you were right not buying it. Nothing "early"or "archaic", just rudimentary workmanship of a not very talented cutler , made for a very poor customer.

estcrh · 28th August 2016, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kamachate

Then, here is a pseudo shashka from me

The hilt is goat's horn. The iron expand of the blade goes until the end of the hilt, nearly have the shape of it. The places of the rivets can give a clue. The "ears" of the hilt are not as usual.

The fuller is strange, and one can note the strange curve where the fuller begins. The blade narrows after the fuller, and slightly expands after it, as if there is a kind of "yalman". I have never seen any parallels of this one

Someone told me that this was "one of the earliest examples of shashkas", but I did not buy it (if only it was )

Best.

Very crude and basic, this was probably a very easy sword to make and it did the job, here is another crude example....both Afghan???

ariel · 29th August 2016, 04:21 AM

Both Caucasian, IMHO.

kamachate · 29th August 2016, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Both Caucasian, IMHO.

That's also what I think, but these cheap and bad examples are so small in numbers when compared to the majority... This seems interesting to me, for they "should" have been produced more than the rest (or am I wrong? I have seen many European blades, "gurda" marked ones or pieces with wonderful fullers. But these cheap and easy ones are harder to find

estcrh · 29th August 2016, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Both Caucasian, IMHO.

Ok, I am still trying to figure this out, what identifies these as Caucasian and not Afghan??

Ian · 30th August 2016, 03:50 AM

Estrch, I believe that Ariel's comments reflect what he laid out earlier in this thread and were summarized in the table in post #71. Ian

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Originally Posted by estcrh

Ok, I am still trying to figure this out, what identifies these as Caucasian and not Afghan??

estcrh · 30th August 2016, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian

Estrch, I believe that Ariel's comments reflect what he laid out earlier in this thread and were summarized in the table in post #71. Ian

Thanks Ian, I forgot about the bolster.

kamachate · 29th August 2016, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by estcrh

Very crude and basic, this was probably a very easy sword to make and it did the job, here is another crude example....both Afghan???

Compared to the one I shared, yours is a piece of art

27th August 2016, 10:24 PM	#1
kamachate Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 26	Then, here is a pseudo shashka from me The hilt is goat's horn. The iron expand of the blade goes until the end of the hilt, nearly have the shape of it. The places of the rivets can give a clue. The "ears" of the hilt are not as usual. The fuller is strange, and one can note the strange curve where the fuller begins. The blade narrows after the fuller, and slightly expands after it, as if there is a kind of "yalman". I have never seen any parallels of this one Someone told me that this was "one of the earliest examples of shashkas", but I did not buy it (if only it was ) Best. Attached Images Last edited by kamachate; 27th August 2016 at 10:38 PM.

28th August 2016, 04:40 AM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I think you were right not buying it. Nothing "early"or "archaic", just rudimentary workmanship of a not very talented cutler , made for a very poor customer.

29th August 2016, 04:21 AM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Both Caucasian, IMHO.