Keris Bugis for comments

mariusgmioc · 24th August 2016, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

A contradiction in terms Bob, but certainly something to reach for.

Save a lot on housing costs too, instead of having to provide a separate house for each wife.

It's called "economies of scale."

PS: I hope your wife doesn't see this!

A. G. Maisey · 24th August 2016, 10:07 AM

Naw --- they won't mind.

joking -- joking --- just joking.

Actually when I wrote that thing I was thinking of a bloke I used to buy from who had a stall in Pasar Beringharjo in Jogja. Pak Kadir, he came from Palembang. He was promoted to another realm some time ago, so I reckon its OK to tell this. He used to bitch to me about his wives. He had one in Jogja, one in Palembang, and the woman with the stall opposite reckoned he had another one down the road in Klaten. Anyway, Pak Kadir reckoned that Christians had the game sewn up:- one wife, only one wife. One wife = one house, one lot of household expenses, one servant, one everything. He reckoned that was the reason Christians were rich and Indonesians were poor:- too many wives.

Of course, no wives at all you can get even richer --- and that reminds me of another Indonesian I used to know. He was --- very strangely --- Greek Orthodox. He reckoned that he loved milk, but that didn't mean he had to own a cow.

Henk · 24th August 2016, 11:14 AM

Great this humor

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Beautiful keris and as said here, leave it the way it is. I have some Bugis keris in the same condition. Indonesian people in my neighbourhood told me that the Bugis used their keris as a weapon. The warangan treatment was done with the delivery and the only treatment for a Bugis blade was cleaning with lemon juce wich faded the high contrast of the warangan treatment away during the time.
This in contradistinction with the Javanese/Balinese/Madurese societies where the warang treatment was done regurlary.
This confirms what is said here.

David · 24th August 2016, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Of course, no wives at all you can get even richer ---

Actually, the trick isn't no wives if you want to maintain some wealth, it's no children...

A. G. Maisey · 25th August 2016, 01:10 AM

Depends David.

Kids can be either a debit entry or a credit entry.

I hold the opinion that we should improve their education by sending them to work just about as soon as they can walk, just make sure they make more money than it costs to feed them.

Of course, if you're a farmer your kids just naturally start work as soon as they can get around without a nappy.

I probably didn't start young enough, but by age 8 I was going on to building jobs with my Dad and getting morning teas, and lunches, and sweeping up and fetching tools. It was very educational. It taught me that I never, ever wanted to earn my living as a tradesman.

Then there is the example of my barber. He was born in Italy. The system in the town where he was born was that kids went to school in the morning, and as soon as they were judged to be sufficiently mature, usually about 8 years of age, they were expected to find somebody in the town to teach them a trade. He started work with a barber. He was a fully trained barber at age 14.

This whole thing that is now current in many places about child labour being evil is totally, totally incorrect. It displays abysmal ignorance of any world other than the one in which people who do not know insufficiency live.

In places like Indonesia, India, and other developing countries the contribution of the children to the family income is essential.

It continues past prepubescent childhood too. In most working class Indonesian families one child will be identified as the one to be educated, and the other children will leave school as early as is feasible in order to pay for that child's education. The educated child, if successful repays the debt when he becomes productive.

Children are only expensive if they are treated in a way that fails to educate them in the ways of the real world.

David · 25th August 2016, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Children are only expensive if they are treated in a way that fails to educate them in the ways of the real world.

Well, welcome to the "civilized" world Alan. I live in a culture that frowns just a bit on child labor. Child rearing is a great expense, from the cradle through the excessively expensive college educations that ideally i am supposed to be saving for all through the child's life if i am trying to be a "good" parent.
I am not arguing your logic Alan, but i don't live in Indonesia or India or any other place where children make an essential financial contribution to the family.

Rick · 25th August 2016, 07:19 AM

It works out.
Mine does by not asking for loans, ever.

He makes really good money, works 7 months out of the year, has two houses, 3 Toyotas, two boats and is living the dream.

Plus I got a Grandson out of the deal.

A. G. Maisey · 25th August 2016, 08:16 AM

Yes David, I live in a similar society, and not particularly wanting to spend time in court fighting well meaning but deluded "do-gooders" I have lived my life more or less in accordance with the standards of the society I live in, however, having seen both sides of the coin, I really do wish sometimes that the fat, happy tree huggers who live in Sydney, New York , London etc, would just butt out of telling people who live in other societies, how to raise their children.

I do know more than just a little about the cost of raising children, including a number of children whom I did not father.

25th August 2016, 07:19 AM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Sometimes....... It works out. Mine does by not asking for loans, ever. He makes really good money, works 7 months out of the year, has two houses, 3 Toyotas, two boats and is living the dream. Plus I got a Grandson out of the deal.

24th August 2016, 10:07 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Naw --- they won't mind. joking -- joking --- just joking. Actually when I wrote that thing I was thinking of a bloke I used to buy from who had a stall in Pasar Beringharjo in Jogja. Pak Kadir, he came from Palembang. He was promoted to another realm some time ago, so I reckon its OK to tell this. He used to bitch to me about his wives. He had one in Jogja, one in Palembang, and the woman with the stall opposite reckoned he had another one down the road in Klaten. Anyway, Pak Kadir reckoned that Christians had the game sewn up:- one wife, only one wife. One wife = one house, one lot of household expenses, one servant, one everything. He reckoned that was the reason Christians were rich and Indonesians were poor:- too many wives. Of course, no wives at all you can get even richer --- and that reminds me of another Indonesian I used to know. He was --- very strangely --- Greek Orthodox. He reckoned that he loved milk, but that didn't mean he had to own a cow.

24th August 2016, 11:14 AM	#3
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Great this humor . Beautiful keris and as said here, leave it the way it is. I have some Bugis keris in the same condition. Indonesian people in my neighbourhood told me that the Bugis used their keris as a weapon. The warangan treatment was done with the delivery and the only treatment for a Bugis blade was cleaning with lemon juce wich faded the high contrast of the warangan treatment away during the time. This in contradistinction with the Javanese/Balinese/Madurese societies where the warang treatment was done regurlary. This confirms what is said here.

25th August 2016, 01:10 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Depends David. Kids can be either a debit entry or a credit entry. I hold the opinion that we should improve their education by sending them to work just about as soon as they can walk, just make sure they make more money than it costs to feed them. Of course, if you're a farmer your kids just naturally start work as soon as they can get around without a nappy. I probably didn't start young enough, but by age 8 I was going on to building jobs with my Dad and getting morning teas, and lunches, and sweeping up and fetching tools. It was very educational. It taught me that I never, ever wanted to earn my living as a tradesman. Then there is the example of my barber. He was born in Italy. The system in the town where he was born was that kids went to school in the morning, and as soon as they were judged to be sufficiently mature, usually about 8 years of age, they were expected to find somebody in the town to teach them a trade. He started work with a barber. He was a fully trained barber at age 14. This whole thing that is now current in many places about child labour being evil is totally, totally incorrect. It displays abysmal ignorance of any world other than the one in which people who do not know insufficiency live. In places like Indonesia, India, and other developing countries the contribution of the children to the family income is essential. It continues past prepubescent childhood too. In most working class Indonesian families one child will be identified as the one to be educated, and the other children will leave school as early as is feasible in order to pay for that child's education. The educated child, if successful repays the debt when he becomes productive. Children are only expensive if they are treated in a way that fails to educate them in the ways of the real world.

25th August 2016, 08:16 AM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Yes David, I live in a similar society, and not particularly wanting to spend time in court fighting well meaning but deluded "do-gooders" I have lived my life more or less in accordance with the standards of the society I live in, however, having seen both sides of the coin, I really do wish sometimes that the fat, happy tree huggers who live in Sydney, New York , London etc, would just butt out of telling people who live in other societies, how to raise their children. I do know more than just a little about the cost of raising children, including a number of children whom I did not father.