Persian Pesh-kabz

estcrh · 9th August 2016, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

@ Detlef

Most of the photos were taken by the professional photographer of Czerny's. So it is his merit, not mine! Mine is only the one detailing the watering of the first knife (the one with green background).

When I got it, it had absolutely no trace of wootz so I had to etch it myself. It was the first blade I etched (but before that I spent tens of hours experimenting on a mundane wootz blade to make sure I don't damage the it in any way).

The Baron von Weyhe collection was sold many years ago I thought, was this from the original sale or a more recent resale?

Oliver Pinchot · 10th August 2016, 12:28 AM

Your pesh qabz dates in the first half of the 18th century.

Gavin Nugent · 10th August 2016, 12:50 AM

These are both very fine types presented, and are presentation grade knives from the Northern West Indian and Afghan regions.
The first is certainly 18th century, many have been seen the market place in years past, several with impeccable provenance...whilst carrying Indian motifs, I'd place this towards in and in to the Afghan Indian frontiers.
The second in the red sheath, also Indian, into these Indo-Afghan frontiers, and IMHO, 19th century, circa 1800, Indian made....it could swing a couple of decades either way.
Whilst Persian influence may have been seen throughout these countries, I do not see these as Persian, but Indian made.
As far as pristine condition goes, the men of standing who received these gifts, their estates typically had the means to keep their personal effects in fine condition for generations.

Gavin

mariusgmioc · 10th August 2016, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver Pinchot

Your pesh qabz dates in the first half of the 18th century.

Thank you Oliver! I was a little more generous but since it is my knife it is undestandable.

mariusgmioc · 10th August 2016, 06:18 AM

@ estrch

I got it just a few years ago but I don't know wheteher it was a remanant of the original sale or a resale.

@ Gavin

The second one is certainly North Indian.

The first one I am pretty sure is Persian (maybe Isfahan). I believe the Afghan ones tend to have longer blades and stouter hilts. Also the decoration style might be somehow diferent.
But it can be that I am wrong since in that area both styles and smiths travelled quite freely.

10th August 2016, 12:50 AM	#3
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	These are both very fine types presented, and are presentation grade knives from the Northern West Indian and Afghan regions. The first is certainly 18th century, many have been seen the market place in years past, several with impeccable provenance...whilst carrying Indian motifs, I'd place this towards in and in to the Afghan Indian frontiers. The second in the red sheath, also Indian, into these Indo-Afghan frontiers, and IMHO, 19th century, circa 1800, Indian made....it could swing a couple of decades either way. Whilst Persian influence may have been seen throughout these countries, I do not see these as Persian, but Indian made. As far as pristine condition goes, the men of standing who received these gifts, their estates typically had the means to keep their personal effects in fine condition for generations. Gavin Last edited by Gavin Nugent; 10th August 2016 at 02:27 AM.

10th August 2016, 06:18 AM	#5
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,911	@ estrch I got it just a few years ago but I don't know wheteher it was a remanant of the original sale or a resale. @ Gavin The second one is certainly North Indian. The first one I am pretty sure is Persian (maybe Isfahan). I believe the Afghan ones tend to have longer blades and stouter hilts. Also the decoration style might be somehow diferent. But it can be that I am wrong since in that area both styles and smiths travelled quite freely. Last edited by mariusgmioc; 10th August 2016 at 01:05 PM.

10th August 2016, 12:28 AM	#2
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 468	Your pesh qabz dates in the first half of the 18th century.