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Old 6th August 2016, 03:15 PM   #1
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First, thank you all for comment! I agree, it seems to be a clearly lamination what we can see by some pictures. Either this dagger coming from a well cared collection or it is in an outstanding good original condition. Would be interesting to know this since it would give us some understanding about if laminated blades from Luzon get etched originally.
Ian and Jose, thank you both very much for your age and origin guesses. Yes, I gree that this dagger coming from the First Republic area and could be an Ilocano piece. An other origin could be Cental Luzon like Ian suggest as well, a possibility also because the strong Spanish influence in the hilt.
I am happy that my age guess was most probable correct. I've searched in old threads but don't find a similar one for comparison, appearance and size. When someone would be able to show a similar one I would be very grateful.

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Old 6th August 2016, 04:23 PM   #2
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Here is mine, which says on the back "Ilocos Norte":
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Old 6th August 2016, 04:35 PM   #3
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Congratulations Detlef! ! Is a great adquisition to your collection! !!
Is wish you enjoy it !
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Old 6th August 2016, 05:35 PM   #4
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Congratulations Detlef! ! Is a great adquisition to your collection! !!
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Thank you very much Carlos! I will certainly do.

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Old 6th August 2016, 05:30 PM   #5
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Here is mine, which says on the back "Ilocos Norte":
Yes, your very nice example which was once part of the Macao exhibition was the only example which shows some resemblance to my example. It is also with 52,5 cm somewhat longer as my one with 45 cm.
Thank you very much for post it again for comparison.

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Old 6th August 2016, 05:39 PM   #6
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Here is mine, which says on the back "Ilocos Norte":
Here the description which was once given to your very nice example:


209.
Insurrection Katipunan Dagger
Ilokano tribe, Ilocos Norte, Northeastern Luzon Island. At base of blade there is an engraved triangle with a star at each corner and a sun with a face in the middle and worn remains of a banner with “Liberitad” (“Liberty” in Spanish). The triangular device is a later Katipunan symbol officially used during the Republic of the Philippines from 1898-1901. On the other side are engraved the words “Filipinas”, Philippines in Spanish (the country name in use at the turn of the century), “Ylocos Norte” (the province) and “Laoag” (the capital of Ilocos Norte). The hilt is made of carabao horn with a top and bottom ferrule made of bronze.
Note: this is a rarer type of dagger not often seen.
Period: 1898-1901
Overall: 52.5 cm
Blade: 38 cm
Hilt: 14.5 cm
Scabbard: none
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Old 7th August 2016, 02:31 AM   #7
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Hello Detlef, This dagger is a real beauty and will make a wonderful new addition for your ever growing collection. I must say that the blade definitely looks to be of laminated construction to me as well. Having this much Spanish influence showing in its styling and overall appearance (especially the way the hilt is constructed of stacked horn sections with metal spacers) I will agree with Ian on a Central Luzon origin for this piece. As Manila was under Spanish control for over 400 years their influence would most likely show more heavily in an item like this than it might in other areas of Luzon. JMHO My congratulation to you on yet another great score.

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Old 7th August 2016, 01:41 PM   #8
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Hello Robert,

thank you very much for your educated comment which makes a lot of sense. It seems that we all agree that this piece shows a lot of Spanish influence.

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Old 4th October 2016, 10:08 PM   #9
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After the dagger has arrived at its destination was found that the tang was bend a little and some horn sections was cracked. Robert has opened the riveted tang, closed the cracks and straighten the tang. Here some pictures.
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Old 4th October 2016, 11:51 PM   #10
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Nice work!

Detlev, would you show close ups of the blade please?
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