Keris exhibitions in Patani and Jogja

Laowang · 3rd August 2016, 01:12 AM

Wow! Much thanks, Green. A much more extensive & comprehensive set of photos than I would have expected, or hoped for. Almost as good as being there.

As you noted, some mismatches, some blades that could use better care, and as Jean noted, the method of display isn't particularly conducive to appreciating individual keris. That being said, overall quite a gathering. The whole definitely much greater than the sum of the parts.

Battara · 3rd August 2016, 03:14 AM

Hi Green,

We need you to upload these pictures directly to this site please.

kai · 3rd August 2016, 06:07 PM

Hello Jose,

those pics are numerous and amount for over 130MB so batch processing will be needed to reduce bandwidth.

If Nik agrees though, it might be more productive to discuss especially noteworthy pieces in separate threads?

Regards,
Kai

kai · 3rd August 2016, 06:14 PM

Thanks a lot for your efforts, Nik!

Even with a "don't touch" sign next to the pieces, I would not dare to exhibit crowded tables like this to the general public...

BTW, from your ample experience with local collectors, can you possibly comment on how acceptable surface rust is on such keris from a local POV? Some keris are apparently relatively well maintained with only limited rust dusted over the surface while others do show extensive crusts of active rust and probably extensive corrosion.

Regards,
Kai

David · 3rd August 2016, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kai

BTW, from your ample experience with local collectors, can you possibly comment on how acceptable surface rust is on such keris from a local POV? Some keris are apparently relatively well maintained with only limited rust dusted over the surface while others do show extensive crusts of active rust and probably extensive corrosion.

I was wondering the same thing. The event was advertised as offering cleanings, but some of those blade would need more than a quick acidic bath to remove what appears to be years of rust and corrosion from neglect.
I see a few really nice keris in there that seem to be wasting away.

Rafngard · 4th August 2016, 03:03 AM

Wow. Just wow.
This collection of pics is stunning.

Thanks,
Leif

Green · 4th August 2016, 05:46 PM

1) To answer Alan's Q about the correct spelling first... I am not sure which is the right spelling Coteng/Choteng cenok/chenok... modern spelling has done away with 'h' but the pronounciation is exactly the same for both version... just like jogjakarta/yogjakarta etc...

2)with regards to the uploading the pics here, I did consider that but went for the later option of uploading many pics on flickr, so that people who are new to keris will have a much better overall feel about the variety of the keris shown...

3)to upload that number here would be v tedious as i need to resize etc...

4) if i were to choose a few examples, the problem is which ones and what aspect to highlight,...there are too many points of discussion... rusty blades, mismatch blades/hilt/scabbard, particularly good examples?..etc...

5) for many of the collectors in this region they prefer to keep blades in rusty condition rather than overcleaning and abused of blades like what most of westerners seem to prefer... overcleaning is considered a big no no and devalue the item greatly.

From my limited experience and observation, they'd rather keep the blades un-cleaned and some even prefer it that way, though this sound a bit perverse... and even if they do the cleaning, it'd mostly be light cleaning with coconut water and/or lime with soft scraping with tooth brush followed by rinsing and drying with cloth.And some do an additional process of drying over smoke of incense...

6) funny thing about the don't touch sign... by the late afternoon of the first day when everybody kinda familiar with each other many people seem to ignore the sign and handle the blades like their own... another nice easy going style of eastern people behaviour i guess...

David · 3rd August 2016, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

Hello Jose,

those pics are numerous and amount for over 130MB so batch processing will be needed to reduce bandwidth.

If Nik agrees though, it might be more productive to discuss especially noteworthy pieces in separate threads?

Regards,
Kai

I would agree with Kai that it might be a bit much to upload ALL these images to the site. I was going to suggest a select few of the nicer examples. There are many images in there that are either unnecessary for our discussions or repetitive of the same weapons.
It would be nice to get a good representative collection of them up here though. The problem we have with links like this Nik is that eventually these galleries seem to go away for one reason or another and then any discussion of the shown weapons becomes difficult without the visual examples.

3rd August 2016, 01:12 AM	#1
Laowang Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: 40˚00' N, 83˚00' W Posts: 52	Wow! Much thanks, Green. A much more extensive & comprehensive set of photos than I would have expected, or hoped for. Almost as good as being there. As you noted, some mismatches, some blades that could use better care, and as Jean noted, the method of display isn't particularly conducive to appreciating individual keris. That being said, overall quite a gathering. The whole definitely much greater than the sum of the parts.

3rd August 2016, 03:14 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Hi Green, We need you to upload these pictures directly to this site please.

3rd August 2016, 06:07 PM	#3
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Jose, those pics are numerous and amount for over 130MB so batch processing will be needed to reduce bandwidth. If Nik agrees though, it might be more productive to discuss especially noteworthy pieces in separate threads? Regards, Kai

3rd August 2016, 06:14 PM	#4
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Thanks a lot for your efforts, Nik! Even with a "don't touch" sign next to the pieces, I would not dare to exhibit crowded tables like this to the general public... BTW, from your ample experience with local collectors, can you possibly comment on how acceptable surface rust is on such keris from a local POV? Some keris are apparently relatively well maintained with only limited rust dusted over the surface while others do show extensive crusts of active rust and probably extensive corrosion. Regards, Kai

4th August 2016, 03:03 AM	#6
Rafngard Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Minneapolis,MN Posts: 354	Wow. Just wow. This collection of pics is stunning. Thanks, Leif

4th August 2016, 05:46 PM	#7
Green Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Malaysia Posts: 323	1) To answer Alan's Q about the correct spelling first... I am not sure which is the right spelling Coteng/Choteng cenok/chenok... modern spelling has done away with 'h' but the pronounciation is exactly the same for both version... just like jogjakarta/yogjakarta etc... 2)with regards to the uploading the pics here, I did consider that but went for the later option of uploading many pics on flickr, so that people who are new to keris will have a much better overall feel about the variety of the keris shown... 3)to upload that number here would be v tedious as i need to resize etc... 4) if i were to choose a few examples, the problem is which ones and what aspect to highlight,...there are too many points of discussion... rusty blades, mismatch blades/hilt/scabbard, particularly good examples?..etc... 5) for many of the collectors in this region they prefer to keep blades in rusty condition rather than overcleaning and abused of blades like what most of westerners seem to prefer... overcleaning is considered a big no no and devalue the item greatly. From my limited experience and observation, they'd rather keep the blades un-cleaned and some even prefer it that way, though this sound a bit perverse... and even if they do the cleaning, it'd mostly be light cleaning with coconut water and/or lime with soft scraping with tooth brush followed by rinsing and drying with cloth.And some do an additional process of drying over smoke of incense... 6) funny thing about the don't touch sign... by the late afternoon of the first day when everybody kinda familiar with each other many people seem to ignore the sign and handle the blades like their own... another nice easy going style of eastern people behaviour i guess...