DAGGER FOR IDENTIFICATION

Kubur · 20th July 2016, 03:17 PM

Hi Rajesh,

It's a good stuff. It's a Bedouin dagger, a cousin of the shibriya.
You can find them on a wide range from Palestine to Hijaz and even up to Irak...
If I was you I will clean the scabbard, it should come out like the handle.

Best,
Kubur

motan · 21st July 2016, 12:29 PM

I totally agree with Kubur. I have only seen 2-3 of those, but one of them, almost identical to this one, was found in a ruined village on the Golan Hights. It was interpreted as locally-made primitive knife. It has elements from both Bedouin shibriyas and Syrian khanjar, but also unique characteristics such as hand forged blade of eliptic cross-section, full tang rivetted between two thick plated of decorated brass or similar copper alloy. Nice, authentic, but primitive item from south Syria, perhaps the Golan hights, and maybe even the same village as the one I saw. Certainly no tourist item because the type is so rare and sparsely decorated.

BANDOOK · 21st July 2016, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi Rajesh,

It's a good stuff. It's a Bedouin dagger, a cousin of the shibriya.
You can find them on a wide range from Palestine to Hijaz and even up to Irak...
If I was you I will clean the scabbard, it should come out like the handle.

Best,
Kubur

Greetings Dear KUBUR
Am glad mine is a good dagger and not what I thought,u made my day,so will keep it in my collection,will do what you have said for the scabbard,many Thanks

ALEX · 21st July 2016, 12:54 PM

Are the spacers between handle scales stained leather? If it is, it's quite uncommon construction for Bedouin/Arab dagger. This is why I thought it was African.

Kubur · 21st July 2016, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ALEX

Are the spacers between handle scales stained leather? If it is, it's quite uncommon construction for Bedouin/Arab dagger. This is why I thought it was African.

You are right, it's uncommon.
I have the feeling that the grips are made of horn then covered with copper/brass. But I'm sure Rajesh will tell us!
Normaly these daggers have horn grips or cooper grips, not both...
It's a sandwich dagger.

BANDOOK · 24th July 2016, 05:30 AM

HI KUBUR
AM SURE ITS A SANDWICH HAS THE HORN AND THEN THE BRASS ON TOP,DONT KOW MUCH BUT QUIET WEIRD FROM THE USUAL
REGARDS
RAJESH

BANDOOK · 24th July 2016, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ALEX

Are the spacers between handle scales stained leather? If it is, it's quite uncommon construction for Bedouin/Arab dagger. This is why I thought it was African.

HI ALEX YES ITS THICK HIDE AND THEN BRASS,REGARDS RAJESH

motan · 27th July 2016, 01:29 PM

Hi, I wrote that I have seen similar daggers before. Here is one. It is a local ethnic product. It comes from Jubata al Khashab in the Golan hights. The one presented in this thread is much nicer, but the similarity is striking.
The now deserted village is only a few kilometers from Majdal Shams, famous for its daggers and the scabbard appears to have be bought separately, most likely in Majdal. I kan not see in the picture if it also has leather spacers.

BANDOOK · 28th July 2016, 12:56 PM

THANKS MOTAN
YES VERY SIMILAR LIKE YOURS,SO I GUESS ITS FROM ISRAEL/PALESTINE AREA AS PER YOUR INFORMATION.MANY THANKS RAJESH

21st July 2016, 12:29 PM	#2
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Syrian Khanjar/Shibriya I totally agree with Kubur. I have only seen 2-3 of those, but one of them, almost identical to this one, was found in a ruined village on the Golan Hights. It was interpreted as locally-made primitive knife. It has elements from both Bedouin shibriyas and Syrian khanjar, but also unique characteristics such as hand forged blade of eliptic cross-section, full tang rivetted between two thick plated of decorated brass or similar copper alloy. Nice, authentic, but primitive item from south Syria, perhaps the Golan hights, and maybe even the same village as the one I saw. Certainly no tourist item because the type is so rare and sparsely decorated.

27th July 2016, 01:29 PM	#8
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Similar dagger Hi, I wrote that I have seen similar daggers before. Here is one. It is a local ethnic product. It comes from Jubata al Khashab in the Golan hights. The one presented in this thread is much nicer, but the similarity is striking. The now deserted village is only a few kilometers from Majdal Shams, famous for its daggers and the scabbard appears to have be bought separately, most likely in Majdal. I kan not see in the picture if it also has leather spacers. Attached Images Last edited by Robert; 28th July 2016 at 12:57 AM. Reason: Lets keep on track and leave politics out of this discussion.

20th July 2016, 03:17 PM	#1
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Rajesh, It's a good stuff. It's a Bedouin dagger, a cousin of the shibriya. You can find them on a wide range from Palestine to Hijaz and even up to Irak... If I was you I will clean the scabbard, it should come out like the handle. Best, Kubur

21st July 2016, 12:54 PM	#4
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Are the spacers between handle scales stained leather? If it is, it's quite uncommon construction for Bedouin/Arab dagger. This is why I thought it was African.

24th July 2016, 05:30 AM	#6
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 627	HI KUBUR AM SURE ITS A SANDWICH HAS THE HORN AND THEN THE BRASS ON TOP,DONT KOW MUCH BUT QUIET WEIRD FROM THE USUAL REGARDS RAJESH

28th July 2016, 12:56 PM	#9
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 627	THANKS MOTAN YES VERY SIMILAR LIKE YOURS,SO I GUESS ITS FROM ISRAEL/PALESTINE AREA AS PER YOUR INFORMATION.MANY THANKS RAJESH