Sumatran, Borneo or Moro???

LabanTayo · 6th February 2006, 11:46 PM

michael,
dang, where do you come up with these pieces???

thats one hell of a mixbag of influences.
it looks like a cut down barong, rehilted in Leyte.
i'm stumped too. send it to me so i can study it.

VVV · 7th February 2006, 04:01 PM

Interesting new track,

Why do you think of Leyte for the hilt?

Michael

VVV · 8th February 2006, 12:49 PM

I recieved an e-mail from another collector that he think this is a Moro Shandigan Barung with a variation of the Naga hilt (see Cato).
I find this info very probable.

Michael

Rick · 8th February 2006, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

I recieved an e-mail from another collector that he think this is a Moro Shandigan Barung with a variation of the Naga hilt (see Cato).
I find this info very probable.

Michael

I can see why he would think so but the barring on the blade and the way it is cut down to a neck at the hilt seems very un-Moro to me .
I (like Shelley) wonder if it has not been modified by another culture .
Is this blade chisel edged (flat on the other side) Michael ?

Can we have some more pictures ?
I'd like to see the detailing on the punto and the other side of the blade .

VVV · 8th February 2006, 05:20 PM

Rick, LabanTayo and others,

Here are a couple of additional pictures.
The blade looks identical on both sides.
Please note the peculiar small hook close to the hilt?
Look forward to your comments.

Michael

Rick · 8th February 2006, 07:30 PM

I've got to admit to being stumped .

The decoration on the punto does not strike me as quite traditional okir patterns . The blade seems a bit thin for a barung but I have never handled a shandigan so I may well be off on this observation .

What is the material between the ivory and the punto ?

The filework at the forte of the blade is pretty puzzling as it does not quite look like the work seen on tenegre/sansibar/binangon blades .
Maybe we should be looking toward Borneo ....

VVV · 8th February 2006, 08:12 PM

Rick,

It's a horn ring.
I have seen a resembling decoration as on the silver on two of my Melanau
(NW Borneo) parang - a Sadap and a Parang Pedang.
Enclosed pictures for you to compare.
Otherwise usually the Melanau parang have heavy and thick blades.
I just noticed that there are 3 dots in a (female) triangle at the bottom
of the scabbard which is usually attributed to Sumatra?

Michael

8th February 2006, 05:20 PM	#5
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Rick, LabanTayo and others, Here are a couple of additional pictures. The blade looks identical on both sides. Please note the peculiar small hook close to the hilt? Look forward to your comments. Michael Attached Images

8th February 2006, 08:12 PM	#7
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Rick, It's a horn ring. I have seen a resembling decoration as on the silver on two of my Melanau (NW Borneo) parang - a Sadap and a Parang Pedang. Enclosed pictures for you to compare. Otherwise usually the Melanau parang have heavy and thick blades. I just noticed that there are 3 dots in a (female) triangle at the bottom of the scabbard which is usually attributed to Sumatra? Michael Attached Images

6th February 2006, 11:46 PM	#1
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	michael, dang, where do you come up with these pieces??? thats one hell of a mixbag of influences. it looks like a cut down barong, rehilted in Leyte. i'm stumped too. send it to me so i can study it.

7th February 2006, 04:01 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Interesting new track, Why do you think of Leyte for the hilt? Michael

8th February 2006, 12:49 PM	#3
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	I recieved an e-mail from another collector that he think this is a Moro Shandigan Barung with a variation of the Naga hilt (see Cato). I find this info very probable. Michael

8th February 2006, 07:30 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,366	I've got to admit to being stumped . The decoration on the punto does not strike me as quite traditional okir patterns . The blade seems a bit thin for a barung but I have never handled a shandigan so I may well be off on this observation . What is the material between the ivory and the punto ? The filework at the forte of the blade is pretty puzzling as it does not quite look like the work seen on tenegre/sansibar/binangon blades . Maybe we should be looking toward Borneo ....